Magics Removed from WCA Events List in 2013?

[samchoochiu]

You mean...

...unofficial world records?

I find that a bit insulting.

 

[cityzach]

I understand the reasons why magics are being removed, and I do agree with them. What I hate is how everyone is reacting to this. Mostly everyone is making really a-hole ish comments about how they are sooooo happy magic is finally being removed. For example: kirjava and Sebastien. I just feel like these people should take into consideration that some people (like me) really enjoy magics and are sad to see them going.

Of course that's just me, and nobody is going to agree with me and i'll probably get flamed for making this comment, but whatever.

 

[Stefan]

You know I would!

I don't think so. You're a kind, fair, respectful and empathetic person.

Noone loses what he likes, it will just not be an official puzzle anymore.

Wrong, the people who like it being an official event/puzzle *do* lose that (I'm actually surprised you didn't understand that).

What I hate is how everyone is reacting to this [...] Of course that's just me, and nobody is going to agree with me

In order to be taken seriously, it's advisable to not start off with lies.

Mostly everyone [...] ie kirjava and Sebastien

You might want to look up what "i.e." means.

 

[cityzach]

In order to be taken seriously, it's advisable to not start off with lies.

It was more of an exaggeration then a lie.

I really hate how condescending some of the people on here can be. I'll probably get laughed at for this too though...

 

[Julian]

I really hate how condescending some of the people on here can be. I'll probably get laughed at for this too though...

"I know I'm going to get downvoted/flooded with red thumbs/lost in the comments section..."

Just a way of preventing it from actually happening.

 

[Ninja Storm]

Not really a Magic fan, but I still think it's disrespectful and rude for people to be happy that Magic is gone. It seems to be rubbing salt into the wounds of those who really enjoyed the event.

I won't say that I'm sad to see the event go, but I still think that some people need to learn that others are quite sad about this turn of events.

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

Not really a Magic fan, but I still think it's disrespectful and rude for people to be happy that Magic is gone. It seems to be rubbing salt into the wounds of those who really enjoyed the event.

I won't say that I'm sad to see the event go, but I still think that some people need to learn that others are quite sad about this turn of events.

Just because some people are disappointed at the way events are unfolding, doesn't mean others can't be happy about it. If we follow that logic, the world would be full of sadness and apathy, and no joy could ever be produced.

 

[Stefan]

it's disrespectful and rude for people to be happy that Magic is gone

Being happy ≠ expressing happiness ≠ expressing happiness certain ways

Just because some people are disappointed at the way events are unfolding, doesn't mean others can't be happy about it. If we follow that logic, the world would be full of sadness and apathy, and no joy could ever be produced.

Why, who is disappointed when I experience or think of beauty, which does produce joy for me? Are you saying that all joy comes at the expense of others?

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

Why, who is disappointed when I experience or think of beauty, which does produce joy for me? Are you saying that all joy comes at the expense of others?

Because of the nature of humanity, there will always be somebody disappointed or unsatisfied with any given thing. There is no one thing that can satisfy everybody. If we are not allowed to be joyful (or more precisely, express joy) in the presence of that given disappointment, then no joy can ever be expressed.

To answer the question, no, joy does not come at the expense of others. That is, however, what my poorly phrased post did seem to imply. The post was rushed on my part.

 

[jonlin]

Because of the nature of humanity, there will always be somebody disappointed or unsatisfied with any given thing. There is no one thing that can satisfy everybody. If we are not allowed to be joyful (or more precisely, express joy) in the presence of that given disappointment, then no joy can ever be expressed.

To answer the question, no, joy does not come at the expense of others. That is, however, what my poorly phrased post did seem to imply. The post was rushed on my part.

I'm guessing someone stuck in a mountain cave for 3 days accidentally w/o food or water would feel joyful if someone rescued them and gave them a free meals + water.
Just saying.

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

I'm guessing someone stuck in a mountain cave for 3 days accidentally w/o food or water would feel joyful if someone rescued them and gave them a free meals + water.
Just saying.

I think you missed my point. Somebody somewhere is bound to be disappointed by the event. If we follow the logic that we shouldn't be allowed to be happy in a situation where others are unhappy, then no, the man would not be allowed to express his joy. He would undoubtedly feel joy, but barred from expressing that just because somebody doesn't like it.

Anyway, while fun, this is all terribly off topic.

 

[Ninja Storm]

I think you missed my point. Somebody somewhere is bound to be disappointed by the event. If we follow the logic that we shouldn't be allowed to be happy in a situation where others are unhappy, then no, the man would not be allowed to express his joy. He would undoubtedly feel joy, but barred from expressing that just because somebody doesn't like it.

Anyway, while fun, this is all terribly off topic.

However, it's not polite for those to be happy to be expressing in ways that obviously offend others, such as

SWEEEEEEEEEET! This is great!

 

[tx789]

For the people who lov it why not have it at comps unofficaly of course and record oall the times on some website somewhere


When I did magic is was fun for me I did master magic more that was one and a half years ago. I want some offical time at it. ANd I will be happy and ddon't car that it is gone.

 

[Ranzha]

Perhaps a Crazy Idea

So when Tyson mentioned archiving all the magics' times and records for 2013, I thought of resurrecting an official database for unofficial events. That is, a database for unofficial events' times and records to go when the unofficial events are held at WCA competitions.
Besides satisfying the magics' recordkeeping for upcoming years, this database can also be used to test how well-implemented other unofficial events can/will be handled, especially if certain unofficial events are being looked at by the WRC for potential addition to the official events list.
This also ties to my personal interest for knowing whether or not I have OUWR for Skewb average with 7.78. But whatever.

Also, @Dene: I've noticed the post deletions as well.

 

[tx789]

So when Tyson mentioned archiving all the magics' times and records for 2013, I thought of resurrecting an official database for unofficial events. That is, a database for unofficial events' times and records to go when the unofficial events are held at WCA competitions.
Besides satisfying the magics' recordkeeping for upcoming years, this database can also be used to test how well-implemented other unofficial events can/will be handled, especially if certain unofficial events are being looked at by the WRC for potential addition to the official events list.
This also ties to my personal interest for knowing whether or not I have OUWR for Skewb average with 7.78. But whatever.

Also, @Dene: I've noticed the post deletions as well.

I've seen an old one
http://www.speedcubing.com/results/e.php?i=234

 

[Ranzha]

I've seen an old one

>resurrecting

I've seen one too. That's why I brought it up.

The thing here is, though, that I don't think ever before have events been removed from the WCA events list and then hosted regularly at competitions thenceforth.

 

[Bob]

>resurrecting

I've seen one too. That's why I brought it up.

The thing here is, though, that I don't think ever before have events been removed from the WCA events list and then hosted regularly at competitions thenceforth.

Some of those events were official at one time. The Rainbow cube and Siamese cubes, for example, were official at the time. However, unlike Magic, they were only held as official for one competition. Magic is the first event that has been an event for a while (almost 10 years!) and then got retired.

 

[tx789]

maybe create a new website for it amd people who send the wca magic times send it two who ever run the website which will record magic

 

[Kian]

Some of those events were official at one time. The Rainbow cube and Siamese cubes, for example, were official at the time. However, unlike Magic, they were only held as official for one competition. Magic is the first event that has been an event for a while (almost 10 years!) and then got retired.

2x2 OH and 3 cubes in a row? Weren't they official for some time a long time ago or am I remember incorrectly?

 

[Thepuzzlesolver]

Wow, I hate this! Magic was my favorite event ever since I first tried it! I always liked getting low times, and hated restringing (in fact I still have my magic in a bag for a while, simply because I had another, although it is my main...) I hate how some people are overreacting with joy as stated before by a few people. I think this is going to be a HUGE change in the WCA, some positives (I can't see too many, just because these are removed, doesn't mean replacements are coming!) and some negatives, There will be a bit of rebellion before they get over it, or make an unofficial group, for magics, which can then add more events too... It might not be official, but after a while, if all goes miraculously well, it could be official later on..... Keeping up my hopes that magic stays!!!