How to be sub 20

hey guys Im sitting around 30 seconds at the moment with all but G perms and N perms learnt and im looking at a 5 second cross ( too long I know) 15-20 second F2L and 5-10 second LL (mainly over 5 if its a G or N) I use intuitive F2L and thats where I want to focus some time at the moment in cutting down. Is learning algs for F2L a bad idea? How should I cut down my times? Do you guys use intuitive and get really fast at it to get sub 20?
 
hey guys Im sitting around 30 seconds at the moment with all but G perms and N perms learnt and im looking at a 5 second cross ( too long I know) 15-20 second F2L and 5-10 second LL (mainly over 5 if its a G or N) I use intuitive F2L and thats where I want to focus some time at the moment in cutting down. Is learning algs for F2L a bad idea? How should I cut down my times? Do you guys use intuitive and get really fast at it to get sub 20?

What I did when I was around 27 second average, I looked up algs for stuck pieces in F2L and visualised how the pieces moved around the cube, then using the method of just understanding how the pieces move around you don't need the algs anymore and just use your intuitiveness for the F2L.

Your last layer is probably quicker than mine, I know about 25 PLL algs (some from different angles) I usually average 6 - 7 seconds on the LL. Your PLL algs should all be under 3 seconds and you should learn ALL the 21 PLLs.

Your cross should be sub 4 seconds, at least sub 5, it should be on the bottom and while solving the cross you shouldn't look at the cross but try to find the first pair.

Hope I helped :)
 
Thanks heaps yeah helped a lot :) I'll work on my cross as well, I've been adamant about having it on top for some reason lol (Just stubborness) but I guess I'll change my ways now haha
 
hey guys Im sitting around 30 seconds at the moment with all but G perms and N perms learnt and im looking at a 5 second cross ( too long I know) 15-20 second F2L and 5-10 second LL (mainly over 5 if its a G or N) I use intuitive F2L and thats where I want to focus some time at the moment in cutting down. Is learning algs for F2L a bad idea? How should I cut down my times? Do you guys use intuitive and get really fast at it to get sub 20?
Do you do F2L pairs from different angles to reduce turning the whole cube? You don't need to learn each alg from the 4 different angles but at your level you should be able to perform your intuitive algs from the front and the back. Also, learn algs for a few of the more difficult cases, shown here http://badmephisto.com/f2l.php .
 
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Yeah, I'm around 30-35, and I would LOVE to break into the 20's on average. I'm now working on the last few PLL cases. I basically knew all of them except the N perms (which I now know), and the G perms (still working--got the first one memorized). After that, I may start working on OLLs, but I think I really want to learn more F2L too. I do it intuitively, but I think I would really like to learn some algorithms. There are some ways of doing it that you just can't visualize yourself sometimes. So it helps to learn other ways. And like god of rubic 2 said, I think I'll learn them mechanically, and that should help a lot. After that, I'll brush up on my cross. Good luck to you!
 
Yeah, I'm around 30-35, and I would LOVE to break into the 20's on average. I'm now working on the last few PLL cases. I basically knew all of them except the N perms (which I now know), and the G perms (still working--got the first one memorized). After that, I may start working on OLLs, but I think I really want to learn more F2L too. I do it intuitively, but I think I would really like to learn some algorithms. There are some ways of doing it that you just can't visualize yourself sometimes. So it helps to learn other ways. And like god of rubic 2 said, I think I'll learn them mechanically, and that should help a lot. After that, I'll brush up on my cross. Good luck to you!

Yeah I am in a very similar position to you! I am going to spend time on F2L and Cross over OLL which isn't going to save me a whole lot of time especially for how long I'll be learning those algs for :P and yeah peterbone I do my pairs from different angles although probably not as much as I could
 
I find it is ok if you cant see the whole pair at first focus on the corner and then look for the edge, dont try everything too quickly when you arent 100 percent confident :) Just find the corner and get it ready and while you are look for the edge and you'll slowly get faster
 
What should you do if you don't immediately see a f2l pair. i kinda start to panic and it messes up my solves.

I tend to find a piece while I'm doing the previous pair, and then track that piece while I look for the other piece. If I don't see it, then it tends to be at the back of the cube. Try that with slow solves, and then slowly speed up.
 
Advice for becoming sub 20.

Hi, I have been cubing for about 16 months now, and average near 14 seconds. Becoming sub 20 has been one of the most difficult plateaus to overcome, and I believe I may have some ways to make it easier. It is likely you have heard some of these, but I hope you can take something away from this.

If you currently average 21-25 seconds, you probably know basic Cfop with 3/4 look last layer. If you somehow got here without learning F2l, doing so is your first priority. I will be covering cfop, because I think it most common.

Cross: Your goal here should be to solve it in 2-3 seconds. Keep in mind it can almost always be done in 8 moves or less. Look into as much of it as you can during inspection such that you never stop turing during the cross-f2l transition.

F2l: Lookahead is very important here. When solving, turn only as fast as you can look at the next two pieces you will be finishing. It is neccessary here that you are quite familiar with how to solve each case. Try to solve each pair without looking, so that you never need to stop turning during F2l. Practice slow-turning will dramatically improve your times here.

OLL: All you need for sub 20 is 2-look. When learning these algorithms, it is important to try different kinds. Don't always pick the first one you see, because your algorithm selection is significant in your times. It all comes down to personal preference.

PLL: Very much the same as OLL in the sence of learning algorithms. All you really need for sub 20 is 2-look, but it is often reccomended that you learn full. Keep in mind that PLL only contains 21 algs, while OLL has 57.

Final thoughts: Lookahead is key guys. Keep that in mind and you will get there sooner than you think.
 
If you currently average 21-25 seconds, you probably know basic Cfop with 3/4 look last layer. If you somehow got here without learning F2l, doing so is your first priority. I will be covering cfop, because I think it most common.

If you currently average 21-25 seconds and know full LL, just focus on F2L.
^^ ME
I get (got, now using roux) F2L in about 15 seconds, and LL takes me til 21-24 (<<< Lame alg execution speed). Try to get F2L done before 13, preferrably 11 or faster.
 
Actually, it'd be better to increase the speed on your LL algs if you average 24 with 15 second F2L. The CF to OP ratio should be about 2:1. Theoretically, this would mean someone who has a 15-second F2L should optimally have a 7.5 second LL.
 
Wonder if someone can help me out here? Currently struggling to break the sub 20 barrier (averaging 23-24) but thankfully I've identified a few things to work on to try and aid me.

One of these is my transition between cross and f2l. I've never really noticed that I'm making any huge losses here but I figured it can't help to improve. So to try and do this I watched a few youtube videos that all state it is a good idea to do blind cross (which I do from time to time) and to track a corner piece while doing the cross. So I attempted to do the latter while doing my cross and found that my cross and first f2l pair time was 9s on average (which is clearly outrageous for someone aiming for sub-20! But I do find it very difficult to keep track of a corner while solving the cross). I wasn't convinced that this was my normal cross and first f2l pair timing as my entire f2l average is 15s.

So I decided to do some solves where I don't actually track a corner piece but try and just focus on the rest of the cube, and not the cross edges, while doing my cross in order to quickly identify an f2l pair when I'm finished. I found my average doing this for cross + first f2l pair was more like 5s.

Now I am a little confused... Firstly is a cross and first f2l pair average of 5s good enough for someone aiming to be sub-20? Secondly is it worth me continuing attempting to track corner pieces until my times get a little lower as I can see the benefit of tracking a piece during cross building as it should be beneficial knowing where a corner is when doing the first f2l pair?

Help is appreciated.
 
I'm no expert but here is a little bit of advice for tracking practice.

Buy a couple of extra cubes and sticker sets, nothing fancy, cheap DIYs will work. Sticker the first DIY, but ONLY the white cross (or whatever your first color is) and a single f2l pair. Obviously this makes tracking incredibly easy. What this will for you is get you used to subconsciously understanding how various pieces are affected by different algs. Once you get this down (not hard, probably only take a couple solves) start adding more f2l pairs, eventually you'll have a stickered cube except for LL stickers. Then you can just jump back onto your normal speed cube. What also helps is if you can afford four DIYs and set each up with a different number of f2l pairs, then you can go back and practice various stages whenever you want.

Hope that helps.
 
Wonder if someone can help me out here? Currently struggling to break the sub 20 barrier (averaging 23-24) but thankfully I've identified a few things to work on to try and aid me.

One of these is my transition between cross and f2l. I've never really noticed that I'm making any huge losses here but I figured it can't help to improve. So to try and do this I watched a few youtube videos that all state it is a good idea to do blind cross (which I do from time to time) and to track a corner piece while doing the cross. So I attempted to do the latter while doing my cross and found that my cross and first f2l pair time was 9s on average (which is clearly outrageous for someone aiming for sub-20! But I do find it very difficult to keep track of a corner while solving the cross). I wasn't convinced that this was my normal cross and first f2l pair timing as my entire f2l average is 15s.

So I decided to do some solves where I don't actually track a corner piece but try and just focus on the rest of the cube, and not the cross edges, while doing my cross in order to quickly identify an f2l pair when I'm finished. I found my average doing this for cross + first f2l pair was more like 5s.

Now I am a little confused... Firstly is a cross and first f2l pair average of 5s good enough for someone aiming to be sub-20? Secondly is it worth me continuing attempting to track corner pieces until my times get a little lower as I can see the benefit of tracking a piece during cross building as it should be beneficial knowing where a corner is when doing the first f2l pair?

Help is appreciated.

I personally don't work on my transition so much. Not that mine is any good, but it's not like I'm having a huge pause.
I average 16, and for me breaking the 20 second barrier was mostly just practice.

Do you slow down and look ahead during F2L? cause simply by doing that during the cross as well can help you to track pieces.
And if you've had enough experience with the cube, you actually wouldn't have to track the corner piece. If your cross is simple enough and you chose a good piece to track, you should be able to guess where it'll end up during inspection. However, if you have a tough cross, then you should just track it.

Another thing that helped me get sub 20 is just F2L practice. I would not time myself, just slow down to the point where I never have to pause until OLL.
If you're comfortable with your F2L algs, you should be able to perform them without thinking, thus allowing you to look around the cube and even rotate the cube a bit in your hand while you're solving an F2L case.

I've never solved the cross blindfolded to practice, but I think that it works if you struggle with your cross. Basically, you should never have to think about your cross or look for a cross piece during your solve. The entire cross should be done in your mind during inspection. If you can do this, then you can track a corner and make your transition smoother.
 
Just wondering, can you get sub-20 with a store bought Rubik's brand cube? I currently use CFOP.
5s-Cross
36s-F2L
9s-2 Look OLL
6s-1 look PLL
I average about 1 minute, so there is room for improvement. Can you give me ways you think I can improve my times?
 
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Just wondering, can you get sub-20 with a store bought Rubik's brand cube? I currently use CFOP.
5s-Cross
36s-F2L
9s-2 Look OLL
6s-1 look PLL
I average about 1 minute, so there is room for improvement. Can you give me ways you think I can improve my times?

I think so, with a lot of breaking in and some lubrication will help.

I think you should focus more on your F2L, slow down (this helps) and look ahead, before you do look ahead, make sure you're comfortable with the F2L Algs you're using, search for F2L algs/tips around. then If you're confident enough and can execute algs smoothly, then you can go practice look ahead ^_^

EDIT: Since cubes are really accesible now, maybe you could try buying a speedcube(Maybe a WitYou or something from the DaYan line) If you're really serious about speed solving. Anyway, having a Rubik's brand isn't bad at all, I was using a storebought until I sub-30 then changed to a GuHong V2 lol
 
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Well my cube is lubed, as of five days ago. The cube is five days old. I tried using a metronome for F2L, 1 turn per tone, but that was awful, I wanted to turn the cube faster. As for algs, I solve F2L intuitively, so should I learn them or not? If so which ones?
I still average around 1 minute, unfortunately. so any ideas?
 
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