What should I do next?

[Chilli]

I'm using CFOP with full PLL and 2-look OLL. I average around 30-34 seconds but I am finding it hard to hit sub-30. I have been looking at ZBF2L and I'm not sure what I should learn next:

• Learn full OLL (but this would be made pointless by learning ZBF2L)
• Work on existing aspects of the solve (cross, f2l) until I average about <insert time here>
• Learn VHF2L

Cheers.

 

[MostEd]

learn OLL
and continue learning f2l(getting it better)

use the one answer and question thread too

 

[JianhanC]

No need. Lookahead during F2L will help a lot, you'd be amazed.

 

[chrissyD]

Work on lookahead. Don't worry about OLL just yet.

 

[Goosly]

I average ~20 without even knowing G-perms. So you should first work on F2L (look ahead, turning slow) and cross, until you can do F2L in ~15 seconds.
So I choose:
Work on existing aspects of the solve (cross, f2l) until I average about 20-25

 

[Florian]

I learned Full-Oll after i was sub-14 official

 

[Ickenicke]

Practise lookahead

 

[Chilli]

Thanks for the quick response everyone. I'd like some advice about ZBF2L/VH tho. Should I learn them after OLL? It seems that learning ZBF2L after oll would nullify all the effort I put into those 57 algorithms that I would have learned.

 

[Florian]

Thanks for the quick response everyone. I'd like some advice about ZBF2L/VH tho.

Don't do it it's not faster, when you're not using ZBLL or COLL+EPLL

 

[DYGH.Tjen]

Thanks for the quick response everyone. I'd like some advice about ZBF2L/VH tho. Should I learn them after OLL? It seems that learning ZBF2L after oll would nullify all the effort I put into those 57 algorithms that I would have learned.

Like what Florian said, ZB/VHF2L only benefits (even then, only a little) when ZBLL is used in conjunction with ZBF2L. However, not many people use full ZB, and personally I advise against learning it, it may turn you off and you may quit cubing forever. There are lots of people tho, who learn a few ZBLL cases, like the T-OLL subsets (around less than a 100 algs), just to ensure that when they get that OLL, they can solve the remaining of the LL in one-look. It's your choice, however.

What I recommend is just learn some of the VHF2L cases if you so desire, then pick up some ZBLL cases if you so desire. People do get sub-9 averages without all these stuff though. Your choice bro. Good luck!

 

[Chilli]

Like what Florian said, ZB/VHF2L only benefits (even then, only a little) when ZBLL is used in conjunction with ZBF2L. However, not many people use full ZB, and personally I advise against learning it, it may turn you off and you may quit cubing forever. There are lots of people tho, who learn a few ZBLL cases, like the T-OLL subsets (around less than a 100 algs), just to ensure that when they get that OLL, they can solve the remaining of the LL in one-look. It's your choice, however.

What I recommend is just learn some of the VHF2L cases if you so desire, then pick up some ZBLL cases if you so desire. People do get sub-9 averages without all these stuff though. Your choice bro. Good luck!

I'm definitely holding off on ZBLL for now. I do however want to learn the "basic" ZBF2L at least, not really to help my times but just for a fun project. (yes I think learning algos is fun (tho it may soon change ).)

 

[angham]

dont worry about lookahead too much yet, my friend averages 18s and doesnt even preinspect all 4 cross pieces let alone lookahead (he uses 2loll, 1lpll btw) I wouldnt worry about lookahead until ur at least sub-25 so just practice practice practice and drill ur ll algs once in a while

 

[emolover]

dont worry about lookahead too much yet, my friend averages 18s and doesnt even preinspect all 4 cross pieces let alone lookahead (he uses 2loll, 1lpll btw) I wouldnt worry about lookahead until ur at least sub-25 so just practice practice practice and drill ur ll algs once in a while

It is a bad idea to not worry about lookahead. I suffer the effects of not working on lookahead at an early stage and I regret it badly. Only yesterday after 2.5 years I got my first sub 12 average of 12.

 

[skeletonboy]

dont worry about lookahead too much yet, my friend averages 18s and doesnt even preinspect all 4 cross pieces let alone lookahead (he uses 2loll, 1lpll btw) I wouldnt worry about lookahead until ur at least sub-25 so just practice practice practice and drill ur ll algs once in a while

That is a very bad choice. Not looking-a-head will definitely slow your times down. You do 1 case, and then you stall at least 2-3 seconds for the other pair. After four pairs=8-12 seconds wasted. 8-12 seconds would be a big improvement for a person like Chilili. But, if you lookahead you may need to turn slower, but even so, not looking ahead is still slower, is not a good practice. Look at how many (not all) pro cubers solves, you can barely see any gap in between F2L slots. Looking ahead needs quite a bit of practice, so I advise getting used to it before it's too late.