Future of CFOP?

[Godmil]

I know it's very diplomatic to say that all methods are equally good and it's the cuber not the method.... but really, is Petrus actually that good for speed solves? Just it has been around a long time (a lot longer than Roux), and while not as much now, it used to be a lot more popular than Roux currently is, but I'm just not seeing anyone who is that fast with it (relatively).

 

[asportking]

I know it's very diplomatic to say that all methods are equally good and it's the cuber not the method.... but really, is Petrus actually that good for speed solves? Just it has been around a long time (a lot longer than Roux), and while not as much now, it used to be a lot more popular than Roux currently is, but I'm just not seeing anyone who is that fast with it (relatively).

If someone was really good at blockbuilding and didn't like M moves, then Petrus would be good for them. But Roux is more popular than Petrus, so more people choose that.

By the way, are we defining "best method" as the method that's easiest to get good times on, or the method with the most potential? Because something like ZB could be faster than CFOP if someone could memorize all the algs REALLY well and have fast recognition with them, but it definitely wouldn't be easy.

 

[Godmil]

Because something like ZB could be faster than CFOP if someone could memorize all the algs REALLY well and have fast recognition with them, but it definitely wouldn't be easy.

That's another (possibly controvertial) opinion that I have. I think if you took the huge amount of time needed to memorise, get your recollection speed down, and get all your finger tricks for all those ZB algs, and spent it just working on something like OLL/PLL you'd be a lot faster at OLL/PLL.
(I mean how long do you think it would take someone to be able to sub-1 every ZBLL alg, I get scared thinking about it.)

 

[cubelover111]

i think roux but in my opinion the slice moves makes it a slower option but still its personal preference. In CFOP most of the work is based on algs whereas other methods are mostly based on intuition which creates a gap between recognition and execution.

 

[5BLD]

i think roux but in my opinion the slice moves makes it a slower option but still its personal preference. In CFOP most of the work is based on algs whereas other methods are mostly based on intuition which creates a gap between recognition and execution.

Why do you think slice moves are slow?

 

[Cheese11]

There isn't one...

really though, it'll just be the same. Basically all the most move/speed optimal algs have already been discovered. Therefore, no one will get that much faster.

 

[Tim Major]

zz the move count is very low but recognition is very long

wat

 

[tx789]

Depending on long cubing grows and how long it lasts cfop will stay until anew method comes and Everyone tries and likes better

 

[Arkwell]

Do you think that's better? You don't think having to swap grips frequently and have lots of L2 and R2 moves makes it a little awkward?

That's what's killing it for me with ZZ all the L2, F2, R2, U2 moves. ZZ might have a lower move count with no rotations but it kind of makes up for it with the 180's and I'm ambidextrous! Good thing is that I know my color scheme and edges so that's making 'color neutral CFOP easier.

 

[Escher]

The future of CFOP is that CFOP will become a redundant name for something that 'generally' starts with a cross framework, uses advanced intuitive strategies to solve and affect various different pieces and then finish with a 'whatever is most appropriate' case for LL/LS. I don't imagine that the number of cases known will be what sets apart the top speedcubers - it will be their grasp of certain concepts and knowledge of manipulating case probabilities while going at 9tps.

 

[qqwref]

If you ask me, Roux has as much potential as Fridrich, and Petrus and ZZ have a bit less potential. Of course, this is all completely unprovable. For larger cubes, the best method is probably going to be relatively efficient with an easy start and few slice turns - so probably a Fridrich or Petrus variant.

As for the future, I pretty much agree with Escher. I don't think people will move towards more algs as such, but rather towards a greater understanding of how to affect future pieces without wasting too much turns. We'll see more and more tricks such as multislotting, LS+LL techniques (ZBLLs, certain F2L+OLL cases, etc), and following/inserting more F2L pairs at the start. You can already see the fastest people doing this kind of thing, and since it seems to help there's no reason it won't increase in the future. Alg experience will help shave off tenths of a second just as much as turning speed will.

 

[Arkwell]

That's another (possibly controvertial) opinion that I have. I think if you took the huge amount of time needed to memorise, get your recollection speed down, and get all your finger tricks for all those ZB algs, and spent it just working on something like OLL/PLL you'd be a lot faster at OLL/PLL.
(I mean how long do you think it would take someone to be able to sub-1 every ZBLL alg, I get scared thinking about it.)

Few years ago when I was more interested in ZB Jason Baum & Dan Harris led me to Zbigniew Zborowski(Half the ZB developer)site and he had pictures of his daughter doing ZB at a young age and I always wonder if she stuck with it. I think ZB will have to be modified in some way because it's too many algs to recall with the same speed as 57 OLL's & 21 OLL's but I always thought it was the future of cubing.

 

[cubelover111]

well slice move specially M, for me, feels a bit awkward to execute. As i said its just personal opinion.

 

[DRAGON_RYU]

M' extremely rocks.
I think roux.

 

[Kirjava]

really though, it'll just be the same. Basically all the most move/speed optimal algs have already been discovered. Therefore, no one will get that much faster.

You are naive.

 

[Schmidt]

As long as noone makes a Roux/Petrus like beginners method, CFOP will rule! The transition from LBL to CFOP is much easier. I borrowed some books from the library with some popular solutions from 1981-82 and they all started with a cross.

But if a new method takes over it might be WIN (Whatever Is Necessary)