Learning other methods in order to get faster times?

[Exist To Exit]

Hey,

I am new to this forum but currently average about 31 seconds using fridrich (somewhat intuitive F2L) with a 4LLL...i know about 10 of the PLL's and am in the process of learning them whenever i have free time.

Now that that is said, i guess i was just wondering if learning other methods would be beneficial to my times overall? Like if i could apply certain aspects of other methods in order to help my times? I am not really looking into switching methods but am just wondering if people that know multiple methods, apply certain other methods while solving the cube.

I hope that makes sense and thanks in advance.

 

[Harry]

Hmm, some said that you can't mixed two methods..... However, Fridrich is proved to be the fastest...... That's why, maybe you want to upgrade your 4LLL to 2LLL? Anyway, my ave is only 41 secs so, I am not in the place to give the advice......

 

[ShadenSmith]

Hmm, some said that you can't mixed two methods..... However, Fridrich is proved to be the fastest...... That's why, maybe you want to upgrade your 4LLL to 2LLL? Anyway, my ave is only 41 secs so, I am not in the place to give the advice......

Fridrich isn't proved to be the fastest.

 

[hawkmp4]

I think (THINK) that he means, would learning another method help his times with Fridrich?
I have had the same question for a long time...and I've experimented a bit with Petrus and I have to say yes, learning another method will help you, if only to understand the cube itself better. Plus, you may find another method more to your liking.
Then again, I only averaged sub-40 yesterday so I may be talking out of my rear.

 

[Exist To Exit]

Hmm, some said that you can't mixed two methods..... However, Fridrich is proved to be the fastest...... That's why, maybe you want to upgrade your 4LLL to 2LLL? Anyway, my ave is only 41 secs so, I am not in the place to give the advice......

well i planned to keep using CFOP but was wondering if people who know roux/CFOP or petrus/CFOP ever apply certain aspects of the other while solving a cube, or if they just solely stick to one method...if that makes sense?


Hawk: yeah thats kinda how i meant to word it, i had a hard time coming up with the words...

 

[Kyle™]

Wouldn't just practicing the cross make you good at the cross?makes sense to just spend fifty hours a day practicing your primary method.

 

[Exist To Exit]

Yeah it would help practicing...but if other methods teach faster ways or alternate ways with less moves, wouldnt it help to learn those as well?

 

[Harry]

Wouldn't just practicing the cross make you good at the cross?makes sense to just spend fifty hours a day practicing your primary method.

One day is only 24 hours.... LOL....

@Mr. ShadenSmith, what I meant is that Yu Nakajima is using Fridrisch right? And he also world record holder. So that means, his Fridrich is fastest....

 

[ShadenSmith]

Wouldn't just practicing the cross make you good at the cross?makes sense to just spend fifty hours a day practicing your primary method.

One day is only 24 hours.... LOL....

@Mr. ShadenSmith, what I meant is that Yu Nakajima is using Fridrisch right? And he also world record holder. So that means, his Fridrich is fastest....

Yes, the current (and most) world records have been set with Fridrich. However, this does not prove Fridrich to be the fastest. The other methods just don't have the popularity yet to know their true potential. Give it a few years, and we'll see.

 

[deco122392]

edge control, fewer olls, and learn some more plls

Yeah it would help practicing...but if other methods teach faster ways or alternate ways with less moves, wouldnt it help to learn those as well?

ummm, opps sorry it all in thee tital box thingy, but yes, in my opinion edge control would make the oll step less dificult, and i can honestly say that edge control is a simple concept to learn, next: idealy knowing all the pll's is beat, but you could know a few and do the pll step in two parts corners, the edges.., the(basic) petrus lastlayer is also simple to learn and affective.

 

[Winston]

I suggest you stick to Fridrich since you're already almost sub 30...But if you would like to try another solving method and think it would suit you better, go ahead. Just keep working on your F2L, making sure there are minimum lags in between, and one day you'll get a sub 20 average

 

[AvGalen]

Other methods certainly can get you faster (and it's fun), but if you want to improve quickly it would be better to learn one method fully (meaning learn PLL first) before you even begin to think about mixing methods

(Jack of all trades, master of none is the correct expression, right)

 

[Kyle™]

Harry, If you think I am serious, you are either joking yourself or 12 years old.

 

[PCwizCube]

In the Fridrich Method, you can use x-cross (extended cross). For those of you who don't know what it is, x-cross is when make a normal cross with one F2L pair in place after the cross has been finished. X-cross requires block building skills, and since the Roux and Petrus methods both use block building, that could help you with x-cross.

Also for edge control in Fridrich if you don't know 1 Look OLL. I have looked into the "Fixing Bad Edges" step of the Petrus method, and I feel that it has helped me in almost never getting "the dot" after I finish my F2L, and I can sometimes turn the "L" into a full cross using edge control.

 

[brunson]

Playing with Roux helped me today.

On the train I was showing a solve to some people across the aisle using my standard Fridrich method and botched my OLL (which I often do if I'm talking while solving), I think I did (r2 R2) instead of (r R2). I started to go back to F2L to fix it, but it totally looked like a Roux edge orientation, so I started solving it that way. Two M'UM's later and, bam, I ended up on a U perm, finished it and looked like a champ instead of a chump.

I *highly* recommend studying alternate methods. Nothing you learn in any other method is without value, no matter what method you settle on.

 

[Harry]

@KYLE ALLAIRE DROPS BOMB, I am 12 years old.... a few years ago....

@ Mr Rubiks' Cube Fan, hmmm, maybe I can learn that method too.... it is in petrus' homepage right?

@Mr Brunson, what do you mean alternate method?

 

[brunson]

@Mr Brunson, what do you mean alternate method?

Any method other than the one you normally use.

 

[Smartyy]

Hmm, some said that you can't mixed two methods..... However, Fridrich is proved to be the fastest...... That's why, maybe you want to upgrade your 4LLL to 2LLL? Anyway, my ave is only 41 secs so, I am not in the place to give the advice......

to harry:

Fridrich could NEVER be proven fastest, it differs from person to person. Just because more people use fridrich doesn't mean it's the fastest.
Just because everyone says that blond haired-blue eyed women are hotter won't prove that they are automatically the prettiest.


to the maker of this thread:

I would highly suggest learning every method you can. Someone told me that learning more methods increases your general knowledge fo the cube, and knowledge isn't something a lot of sub-20ers have.
i've learned LBL, Petrus, Roux, Heise, Keyhole, and uhm my own 2 methods.. and it GREATLY helps you, I could never solve Roux until I learned Petrus, and learning Keyhole really helped me on Petrus, and Heise came really easy as it was the last one I learned.

So yes, learn everything you can about the cube, try out your own methods, see what works and what doesn't, just becuase everyone uses Fridrich doesn't mean that they know EVERYTHING and because they don't know EVERYTHING they can't say that it's the FASTEST because there is so much more to learn about the cube and they've already decided before even trying to learn more!

YES LEARN OTHER METHODS!




p.s. the fastest method would definably 1lwc (one look whole cube) XD that's over 43 quintillion algorithms!

 

[Lucas Garron]

p.s. the fastest method would definably 1lwc (one look whole cube) XD that's over 43 quintillion algorithms!

It's called BLD.

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

p.s. the fastest method would definably 1lwc (one look whole cube) XD that's over 43 quintillion algorithms!

It's called BLD.

Yay!