Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

[steph1389]

Out of all honesty it isn't the only cube in the world to be good nor will it ever be.

Just get on with life and use a cube for gods sake. Plenty of other cubes on the market that are good.

 

[Zarxrax]

I was looking for a guhong to buy and i found this
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.52192
is this a guhong ?!
I bought a maru from this shop a while ago .

It has a picture of a goose on the box, so I think its a guhong.

 

[ElectricDoodie]

It has a picture of a goose on the box, so I think its a guhong.

Is the goose lonely?

 

[daniel0731ex]

I believe the box for both the Guhong and the Lingyun is the same.

 

[Fire Cuber]

I believe the box for both the Guhong and the Lingyun is the same.

Lingyun has a blue box.

 

[prostx23]

It has a picture of a goose on the box, so I think its a guhong.

As long as the site is legit (not in the business of selling KO's), I'd say that's a GuHong.

BTW: It's been already ponted out several times in this thread, there are still several places that sell the GuHong. It's not scarce. If you have to have one PM me and I'll point you in the direction of my favorite cube shop. I don't want to do it on this thread just in case

 

[peedu]

From the information I have (and that is very very reliable) no date has been set, but as I said before: SOON. Now please be patient and wait for the official statement.

AvGalen, you are doing a good job. The meaning of the word "SOON" has been expanding in all directions.

Maybe the Greek "σύντομα" with a direct translation as "soon" in English has some sort of side meaning like "mañana" in Spanish which could mean something like "you never know when".

That's the situation right now - we never know when. But we are patient. And the news will arrive soon, very soon.


Peedu

 

[Edward]

To the people saying Guhong and vcubes are not similar: Remember when the guhong came out? Go check any earlier review. "So like yeah, here's the pieces, and it kind of reminds me of a vcube". I even remember the thread about it when it was new, everyone like "Omg vcube 3"

 

[Kirjava]

To the people saying Guhong and vcubes are not similar: Remember when the guhong came out? Go check any earlier review. "So like yeah, here's the pieces, and it kind of reminds me of a vcube". I even remember the thread about it when it was new, everyone like "Omg vcube 3"

Are you implying that everyone claiming that the two are not similar have stated that they are similar in the past?

 

[peedu]

To the people saying Guhong and vcubes are not similar: Remember when the guhong came out? Go check any earlier review. "So like yeah, here's the pieces, and it kind of reminds me of a vcube". I even remember the thread about it when it was new, everyone like "Omg vcube 3"

Are you implying that everyone claiming that the two are not similar have stated that they are similar in the past?

I understand that there may be similarities, but my first impression to Guhong was a thought about rounded internal surfaces. I was happy with my FII at that time, but Guhong photos really made me wondering if I'm missing some good features with FII.

Quick sidekick:
I'm slow by global standards - barely sub-30, BLD around 5 minutes. Now I'm using FII for BLD (less risk to overshoot) and Guhong for speedsolves (less risk to lock)
End of sidekick.

Now could you, Edward, link or quote or show somehow where the impression of the Guhong was :

"Omg vcube 3"

Peedu

 

[collinbxyz]

People these days...

 

[uberCuber]

Kids these days with their hippity hoppity music...

fix'd

seriously, I don't understand why anyone cares about this as much as they do, when it has been pointed out so many times that the guhong can easily be obtained still. Everyone can shut up now kthxbai

 

[MKLEIN]

Official Announcement from V-Cubes North America

Dear cube enthusiasts,


We want each and every cube enthusiast to know that we are actively listening to you concerns and comments. As a direct result of listening to your concerns we have taken the following actions.

V-Cubes is not currently involved with any IP reporting with respect to Dayan and Maru, and is not taking actions against either company. After extensive talks with all involved parties, sales of Dayan and Maru products will be resumed immediately (effective January 1st 2011).

For the last few Years, V-Cubes has achieved what was previously thought impossible. To build cubes that go beyond the existing 5x5x5. It required a breakthrough in puzzle-design to achieve this feat, but with great innovation and passion we have succeeded. We will continue to keep providing you, our valued
community, with new and exciting products of only the highest quality.

Our Goal has always been to support the cubing community, not to divide it. We have organized participated and sponsored WCA-competitions with money, products and time. We are always happy to see new people solve their V-Cube for the first time as well as seeing the best of the best improve world records time and time again. We will do all we can to keep making this possible for many years to come.

A new year has just started and we look forward to a strong 2011 for cubing and we will continue to support the cubing community. February 20th will be a particularly exciting day because we will announce a new product at the WCA competition, "Mall of America 2011". We are all quite proud to participate in the organization this event.

Finally, we would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a great new year.

Thank you,

Matthew Klein
V-Cubes North America

 

[Kirjava]

V-Cubes is not currently involved with any IP reporting with respect to Dayan and Maru, and is not taking actions against either company. After extensive talks with all involved parties, sales of Dayan and Maru products will be resumed immediately (effective January 1st 2011).

This is good, but why halt them in the first place?

 

[Tyson]

Dear cube enthusiasts,


We want each and every cube enthusiast to know that we are actively listening to you concerns and comments. As a direct result of listening to your concerns we have taken the following actions.

V-Cubes is not currently involved with any IP reporting with respect to Dayan and Maru, and is not taking actions against either company. After extensive talks with all involved parties, sales of Dayan and Maru products will be resumed immediately (effective January 1st 2011).

For the last few Years, V-Cubes has achieved what was previously thought impossible. To build cubes that go beyond the existing 5x5x5. It required a breakthrough in puzzle-design to achieve this feat, but with great innovation and passion we have succeeded. We will continue to keep providing you, our valued
community, with new and exciting products of only the highest quality.

Our Goal has always been to support the cubing community, not to divide it. We have organized participated and sponsored WCA-competitions with money, products and time. We are always happy to see new people solve their V-Cube for the first time as well as seeing the best of the best improve world records time and time again. We will do all we can to keep making this possible for many years to come.

A new year has just started and we look forward to a strong 2011 for cubing and we will continue to support the cubing community. February 20th will be a particularly exciting day because we will announce a new product at the WCA competition, "Mall of America 2011". We are all quite proud to participate in the organization this event.

Finally, we would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a great new year.

Thank you,

Matthew Klein
V-Cubes North America

Dear Cubing Community,

The entire process of all of this has been very complex and frustrating for everyone involved. I would like to think V-Cubes North America for making this possible, and I'm glad to see the resumption of sales of the GuHong 3x3 and the Maru 4x4 cubes. Both of these cubes have contributed to significant developments competitive cubing over the last year, and I continue to be fascinated at what is possible on these puzzles as people break new records and continue to push the limits.

I would like to emphasize that the issues that have been discussed here have never been black and white, and they are far from simple. I would strongly encourage people posting on this forum to refrain from superfluous comments that do not add anything positive to the discussion.

Please understand that both Matt and I have worked very hard to make what has happened possible, and I am hoping that the community will respect the actions taken by V-Cubes, and the effort that went into making it possible. V-Cubes North America will continue to support the development of our cubing community, and we look forward to working with them on some larger projects in the future.

Thank you, and please don't post if your post is less than two sentences, and doesn't actually add anything. I know a lot of people will have a wide range of opinions regarding this, and I feel that more can be accomplished if we are more judicious over what we broadcast in public. And again, do understand these matters have been especially complex, and have taken an enormous amount of time and effort from all parties involved.

Regards,

Tyson

 

[AvGalen]

This is good, but why halt them in the first place?

I am semi-guessing, but it seemed obvious that V-Cubes thought the cubes infringed on the patents, contacted eBay, were pointed to the Vero-system and acted. V-Cubes have invested a lot in protecting their ideas and products and just did what they thought was the right thing. I am happy to hear that they have listened to the community, talked with the WCA, analysed the situation and corrected it. It wasn't perfect, but I for one am happy that 2011 starts like this.

Now, just like many many other people, I am looking forward to the new V-Cube product(s) that will be available soon, while still using the best cube (for now?) I own (a Guhong that I bought from Smaz in Hong Kong before knowing what they were called) to improve my times and enjoy my hobby

Now I am really off to the outback for about a week.

Also: Welcome on the forum Matt. Good to see you here

 

[Kirjava]

I am semi-guessing, but it seemed obvious that V-Cubes thought the cubes infringed on the patents, contacted eBay, were pointed to the Vero-system and acted.

And then went after any other place the cubes were being sold.

V-Cubes have invested a lot in protecting their ideas and products and just did what they thought was the right thing. I am happy to hear that they have listened to the community, talked with the WCA, analysed the situation and corrected it.

TL;DR - Seeing people boycott your products and complain about your company makes you wake up and realise that you're losing money by suppressing developments.

Our Goal has always been to support the cubing community, not to divide it.

You had a funny way of showing this.

 

[Bryan]

February 20th will be a particularly exciting day because we will announce a new product at the WCA competition, "Mall of America 2011". We are all quite proud to participate in the organization this event.

And not only will 6x6 and 7x7 be official since this has now been resolved, but there are cash prizes for these events (and 5x5). And anyone who has compared a KO 7x7 with an authentic V-Cubes knows that V-Cubes does put out quality cubes and I look forward to seeing the new cube.

 

[Kapusta]

Very, very interesting news. Thank you for this update Matthew. It's a shame I can't make it to the mall of america competition, but hopefully you will make it to one or more of the upcoming MIT competitions.

 

[daniel0731ex]

A new year has just started and we look forward to a strong 2011 for cubing and we will continue to support the cubing community. February 20th will be a particularly exciting day because we will announce a new product at the WCA competition, "Mall of America 2011". We are all quite proud to participate in the organization this event.

I know what it is!! It's a "special edition" V-cube 7 with Ruben King stickers!!!

Sounds exiting, I'm soooo gonna get one!?