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Wait so China is going to have its own organization completely separate from WCA? Bad move IMO. I really don't want to see that happening...
Haiyan Zhuang banned for 1-3 years
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r_517
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when u were in china this summer didn't u hear about anything:confused: though there were few Haiyan's followers in your city
I have absolutely no problem with a 3 year suspension if Haiyan was interfering with the investigation. He clearly can't handle this situation maturely (and his inability to act maturely is what got him into this mess). If he continued his shenanigans and tried to interfere with the investigation I see no issue with banning him for three years.
I know that when I go to a competition, more important to me than seeing fast competitors is having fun and being in a relaxed environment. This is more than just Haiyan. It's all the people he's affected. If he's taken that friendly, relaxed atmosphere away from competitions...I don't want him competing.
I know that when I go to a competition, more important to me than seeing fast competitors is having fun and being in a relaxed environment. This is more than just Haiyan. It's all the people he's affected. If he's taken that friendly, relaxed atmosphere away from competitions...I don't want him competing.
XXGeneration
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What happened exactly? The article doesn't say much.
scylla
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Can somebody explain what exactly has happened?
Don't get me wrong, I trust the WCA delegation, so if they have good reason to punish him I except that. And even more Im glad they make those hard decissions and I dont have to!
The description of WCA is very objective and that is how it has to be, but to understand what happened I would like to have more information about what he did and maybe why (although there is no reason to use violence)
Don't get me wrong, I trust the WCA delegation, so if they have good reason to punish him I except that. And even more Im glad they make those hard decissions and I dont have to!
The description of WCA is very objective and that is how it has to be, but to understand what happened I would like to have more information about what he did and maybe why (although there is no reason to use violence)
Daniel Wu
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This punishment seems to harsh, but I don't know the exact situation. All this seems to be doing is pushing the WCA-CCA split on.
What?? :/
What?? :/
rahulkadukar
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r_517
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Ethan Rosen
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I don't think he's a two year old. He should already be well aware of why threatening violence is wrong.
Sebastian-1
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中国有CCA,美国有WCA = China has the CCA, the United States, WCA
*google translate
*google translate
jiggy
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These posts may shed some more light on the situation, if you haven't already seen them:
Investigation into unsportsmanlike behaviour
The truth about Haiyan Zhuang
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Deleted member 4527
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I didn't get to meet any Chinese cubers
anyway this is looking pretty bad... I REALLY REALLy don't want to see the split happening. I'm too lazy to go through posts on mf8 but are the Chinese people believing Haiyan and agreeing with his move to ban the WCA?
EDIT: Just read through some posts, seems like a lot of people there are anti-WCA and they dislike anything foreign or something :confused:
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This is bad...
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Give this a read
I think 1 year is very harsh, considering he didn't cheat - just went a bit crazy. I could understand a year if this wasn't the first time he'd been punished, but maaan. A year is a very long time. Enough to put someone off competing. Seems counter productive to me.
This is assuming he'll give a public apology. If he doesn't, I can see him really going for the CCA thing. Gotta do something in 3 years
I know a lot of people are going to think that the punishment is harsh. But let me put it this way... the people who have cheated in WCA competitions, they have not directly harmed anyone. Well, okay, the have harmed EVERYONE simply by hurting the validity of the records. But no one quit cubing because someone else cheated. Even in the great BLD cheating incident of 2007, only three people were harmed, and that was only money, and say what you want about 1000 Euros, 500 Euros, or 250 Euros, that type of money is not worth the threat on a person's life.
Intimidation should not be taken lightly. Haiyan's actions have directly resulted in people who have left the cubing community. Many people have quit cubing because they simply didn't want to deal with him. China needs more WCA delegates, but no one wants the responsibility of being a delegate because they don't want to deal with intimidation from Haiyan.
To get to the point, when others have cheated, they've done so in a way that is for their personal gain, but the rest of the community can still happily participate in WCA competitions. What Haiyan has done here, even though it doesn't affect the records, has been much more damaging to the community's ability to simply cube at a competition in peace.
In this sense, I feel one year is actually very light. Of course, it really doesn't matter. Haiyan won't be apologizing, and some of his supporters have already started threatening WCA organizers.
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"Would like to elucidate..."
Big, fancy words. USE CLARIFY, A LOT MORE CLEAR (LOL)
I feel the punishment is necessary.
Big, fancy words. USE CLARIFY, A LOT MORE CLEAR (LOL)
I feel the punishment is necessary.
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