Memory Methods

[tim]

you can use the same 24 for edges as for corners

Of course this is possible, but using a different memo system (or at least different pictures) for edges and corners is fundamental for a fast and safe memo IMHO.

Why? IMHO no.

 

[joey]

Different memo system: no
Different images: suggested

but hey, what do I know? I suck using images. I think Tim has been giving me bad advice, cos he knows I would get up to his level quickly

 

[Marcell]

you can use the same 24 for edges as for corners

Of course this is possible, but using a different memo system (or at least different pictures) for edges and corners is fundamental for a fast and safe memo IMHO.

Why? IMHO no.

Chris wrote this about his one syllable latter pair words system... Dunno, I've always used different memo for edges and corners.

 

[tim]

you can use the same 24 for edges as for corners

Of course this is possible, but using a different memo system (or at least different pictures) for edges and corners is fundamental for a fast and safe memo IMHO.

Why? IMHO no.

Chris wrote this about his one syllable latter pair words system... Dunno, I've always used different memo for edges and corners.

So why did you write "IMHO"? Actually it isn't your opinion.

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

This has probably been answered in here already, but quick opinionated question: What's a quickish way to remember the letters you memorize of peices? the sentence thing doesn't work our very well, because I spend too much time thinking of a word for the letter [under pressure, can't think, lol] and the "make a word with all the letters" method doesn't always work due to lack of vowels.

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

4x4 centers is really fun to do stories for. I use a different letter per color: b, c, d, n, s, t for U, F, R, B, L, D respectively.

 

[Mike Hughey]

4x4 centers is really fun to do stories for. I use a different letter per color: b, c, d, n, s, t for U, F, R, B, L, D respectively.

Tim - I didn't know you did 4x4x4 BLD. What's your personal best?

(I don't know if you noticed, but you and I got our first competition 3x3x3 BLDs in the same competition - the US Open. You've always been better than me at it, though.)

 

[joey]

I believe Tim hasn't actually gotten a success.... Sorry tim

 

[Mike Hughey]

I believe Tim hasn't actually gotten a success.... Sorry tim

If that's true, it's okay - I'm sure it won't be long (assuming he keeps trying).

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

none of this helped me, haha

 

[Mike Hughey]

To answer your question, I don't know of a quick way to memorize the letters without some preparation beforehand on your part. To avoid having to spend too much time thinking of a word, have pre-prepared words for all your letters. The problem with this, of course, is that it can lead to awkward sentences. That's where memorizing images for each possible letter pair becomes much more powerful - there is much greater variation in the sentences you construct, so they're easier to remember, and you also only have to memorize half as many images as you have letters. Of course, that unfortunately means you need to memorize 552 images.

You can construct reasonable sentences with just one letter per image though as long as you get creative with it, especially if you're not doing separate orientation and permutation phases (so you're using 24 letters instead of just 12). So it might be worth trying just memorizing 24 images, one per letter, and always use them (so you won't have to think them up when memorizing), to see if that helps.

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

To answer your question, I don't know of a quick way to memorize the letters without some preparation beforehand on your part. To avoid having to spend too much time thinking of a word, have pre-prepared words for all your letters. The problem with this, of course, is that it can lead to awkward sentences. That's where memorizing images for each possible letter pair becomes much more powerful - there is much greater variation in the sentences you construct, so they're easier to remember, and you also only have to memorize half as many images as you have letters. Of course, that unfortunately means you need to memorize 552 images.

You can construct reasonable sentences with just one letter per image though as long as you get creative with it, especially if you're not doing separate orientation and permutation phases (so you're using 24 letters instead of just 12). So it might be worth trying just memorizing 24 images, one per letter, and always use them (so you won't have to think them up when memorizing), to see if that helps.

Thank you for your advice. I've tested the image thing once before, It's not very useful to me [having not been used to it]. I've come up with a slightly different way of doing it, thought of it yesterday and It works great.
I get a letter, then look for the next piece, so now I have two letters. I then memorize a word starting with the first letter and ending with the second.
ie: P-G = pudding. I have to memorize something like 5-6 words. although once in while I'll get stuck, and just try to remember two different words for the two letters. I'm not sure If I'm making sense, but to me it's a piece of cake

 

[Lotsofsloths]

To answer your question, I don't know of a quick way to memorize the letters without some preparation beforehand on your part. To avoid having to spend too much time thinking of a word, have pre-prepared words for all your letters. The problem with this, of course, is that it can lead to awkward sentences. That's where memorizing images for each possible letter pair becomes much more powerful - there is much greater variation in the sentences you construct, so they're easier to remember, and you also only have to memorize half as many images as you have letters. Of course, that unfortunately means you need to memorize 552 images.

You can construct reasonable sentences with just one letter per image though as long as you get creative with it, especially if you're not doing separate orientation and permutation phases (so you're using 24 letters instead of just 12). So it might be worth trying just memorizing 24 images, one per letter, and always use them (so you won't have to think them up when memorizing), to see if that helps.

Thank you for your advice. I've tested the image thing once before, It's not very useful to me [having not been used to it]. I've come up with a slightly different way of doing it, thought of it yesterday and It works great.
I get a letter, then look for the next piece, so now I have two letters. I then memorize a word starting with the first letter and ending with the second.
ie: P-G = pudding. I have to memorize something like 5-6 words. although once in while I'll get stuck, and just try to remember two different words for the two letters. I'm not sure If I'm making sense, but to me it's a piece of cake

OR...
You can assign a letter to each STICKER(for edges).
Then you can either orient the pieces or not orient the pieces, If you do orient the edges, that will give you more powerful words, easier to remember.

So say you have the cycle 5 -> 12 -> 6
You would already(before you solve) assign the letter to each stickers.
acording to my lettering scheme that would be:

I/J -> W/X -> K/L

In my case, I would memo this cycle as: Jewel, just because of the J the W and the L, it gives you a lot more freedom and its easier to recal, I mean when I say Jewel, what 3 letters most stand out? Or what 3 letters would you use to abbreviate Jewel?

On the other hand, if you don't orient that means you have to use each letter and you have no choice really, it all depends on luck whether you make good words..

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

To answer your question, I don't know of a quick way to memorize the letters without some preparation beforehand on your part. To avoid having to spend too much time thinking of a word, have pre-prepared words for all your letters. The problem with this, of course, is that it can lead to awkward sentences. That's where memorizing images for each possible letter pair becomes much more powerful - there is much greater variation in the sentences you construct, so they're easier to remember, and you also only have to memorize half as many images as you have letters. Of course, that unfortunately means you need to memorize 552 images.

You can construct reasonable sentences with just one letter per image though as long as you get creative with it, especially if you're not doing separate orientation and permutation phases (so you're using 24 letters instead of just 12). So it might be worth trying just memorizing 24 images, one per letter, and always use them (so you won't have to think them up when memorizing), to see if that helps.

Thank you for your advice. I've tested the image thing once before, It's not very useful to me [having not been used to it]. I've come up with a slightly different way of doing it, thought of it yesterday and It works great.
I get a letter, then look for the next piece, so now I have two letters. I then memorize a word starting with the first letter and ending with the second.
ie: P-G = pudding. I have to memorize something like 5-6 words. although once in while I'll get stuck, and just try to remember two different words for the two letters. I'm not sure If I'm making sense, but to me it's a piece of cake

OR...
You can assign a letter to each STICKER(for edges).
Then you can either orient the pieces or not orient the pieces, If you do orient the edges, that will give you more powerful words, easier to remember.

So say you have the cycle 5 -> 12 -> 6
You would already(before you solve) assign the letter to each stickers.
acording to my lettering scheme that would be:

I/J -> W/X -> K/L

In my case, I would memo this cycle as: Jewel, just because of the J the W and the L, it gives you a lot more freedom and its easier to recal, I mean when I say Jewel, what 3 letters most stand out? Or what 3 letters would you use to abbreviate Jewel?

On the other hand, if you don't orient that means you have to use each letter and you have no choice really, it all depends on luck whether you make good words..

I like the idea. Although since I use pochmann, each piece already has 2 letters, so if I were to choose one of the two to make for easier recall, it would change the orientation of the piece [or cause me to get confused during execution].

 

[Lotsofsloths]

I know!
I use pochman also!

If you orient the edges in a F2/B2 group(which I use) then when exectuion, NO SINGLE M or E TURNS!!
Only E2 and M2.

 

[fanwuq]

For CO and EO, I plan out the setup and remember the alg and setup combo.
It is easy for corners (simply xyz and COLL), but a little difficult for edges. For CP, I sound out the numbers in my head. For EP, I group 2 edges at a time into dates. I need more dates to associate with. Other than that, it's not too bad of a method. I may start to use consonants and/or rooms.

 

[RobinBloehm]

I started trying M2 for 3x3-edges a week ago, so I thought about a way to memorize it. I use r2 for 4x4-edges, so I gave the stickers letters in a way, that I have to do the exact same setup-moves for the sticker "K" of the 3x3 (for example) and for the piece "K" when doing the 4x4. It was a bit tricky to find out and the order is not that logical as it is on the 4x4, but once I get used to it, it's very easy. The only difference are FU and BD when using DF as buffer. Of course they have different setups.
Actually I really SEE a 4x4 in my hands when executing edges. That way I don't have to put the sticker in the correct orientation to the correct place. I only have to put a piece in the correct position, sounds quite weird, because there is only one position for edges at BU/UB, but in my mind there are actually two different. That's fun ^^

 

[Mike Hughey]

I started trying M2 for 3x3-edges a week ago, so I thought about a way to memorize it. I use r2 for 4x4-edges, so I gave the stickers letters in a way, that I have to do the exact same setup-moves for the sticker "K" of the 3x3 (for example) and for the piece "K" when doing the 4x4. It was a bit tricky to find out and the order is not that logical as it is on the 4x4, but once I get used to it, it's very easy. The only difference are FU and BD when using DF as buffer. Of course they have different setups.
Actually I really SEE a 4x4 in my hands when executing edges. That way I don't have to put the sticker in the correct orientation to the correct place. I only have to put a piece in the correct position, sounds quite weird, because there is only one position for edges at BU/UB, but in my mind there are actually two different. That's fun ^^

I've been wondering for a while if I should try to relearn M2 this way. As I've said before, I find r2 easier than M2. I think if I did it this way, it might be easier. I would go work on it now, but I'm training for Chattahoochee, so I don't want to try anything new until that's over. Nice idea, though - I hope I can try it soon.

 

[Kenneth]

I'm trying to learn a method where:

RUF and RDF are R-corners, RU, RF and RD are R-edges (the colour of the R-side)
FUL and FDL are F-corners, FU, FL and FD are F-edges
LUB and LDB are L-corners, LU, LB and LD are L-edges
BUR and BDR are B-corners, BU, BR and BD are B-edges

I have made some changes for this. Mainly because my buffers are Urf for corners and Uf for edges. Using the order above makes the buffer corner an "R" corner and the buffer edge and "F" edge and that's not so good.

So now (or "now", it was some months ago) I have mirroroed the orientation for the RFLB-blocks so both the buffer pieces are "F" pieces. This moves R corners to URB and DRB, F to URF and DRF, L ULF-DLF and B ULB-DLB. The RM edge moves from RF to BR and the rest of the M layer edges follows, U and D layer edges remains as before.

Changes for orientation letters (AEO) are:

Now A is as before the stickers in the U and D layers but I changed E and O to not represent diffrent orientations but as A diffrent sides of the FRBL blocks. O are the stickers of the F block that are on the F side, R block R side and so on and E are the sticker of the F block that are on the R side. R block on B side and so on. For pieces that are in position already but needs an orientation I still use E for clockwise corners and O for conter clockwise corners and fliped edges.

For the rest, look here

 

[Kenneth]

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EDIT: if someone tried this and used the system I described and it did not work? Not strange =) I forgot that I changed the order for my orientation letters = AEO. See my latets changes to the post above for the correct order.
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I made an example of how I solve the cornes using my system (the post above)

Scramble: D' L2 D' L2 B2 D' R2 F2 U' F2 R2 U2 B2 L B2 L' D U2 R D R'

Memo: RAT-LED, LOT-LOD, LET-RED, Orient FOT-FED (I use visual memo for those)

I'm using cycles for solving so I memo the pieces in blocks of two. I use both English and Swedish words to memo the "proto" words I get. Rat is the English word, a "led" is the swedish word for a knee, armbow, ankle = a "joint". So the first cycle i memo as "a rats ankle", the second, "a lot of lods" where "lod" is Swedish for "Plummet"/"lead" (the secod is the same as the Swedish word but pronounsed a little diffrent). Third cycle, "let(a)" is to "look" for something, a "red(e)" is a birds nest = "look for something under a birds nest", "let"'s say it's a "red" something

Ok, you get the point, I create one image based on the two words for each cycle. These images I always base on the same characters and those are always cartoons, no real world objects. (Ex, "LAT" = Swe for "lazy", Kronblom is a Swedish comic strip character who is wery lazy, almost always resting on the coach =) The objects I place at certain spots in the garden outside Kronbloms house.

For corners I newer need more than three images, for edges five (if there are no parity or broken cycles, two cycles e.t.c.). The last part = orientation of two corners (or edges) I do not create an image for, it's so easy to remember where they are anyway.

Solution:

RAT-LED: L (y2) x U R' U L2 U' R U L2 U2 x' (y2) L' (L setup + A-PLL)

LOT-LOD: (z2) R U L' U' R' U L U' (z2) (no setup only a 8 turn cycle)

LET-RED: L D B' (y') x U' L U' R2 U L' U' R2 U2 x' (y) B D' L' (tricky setup + A-PLL, this is not a easy case)

Orientation (FOT-FED): (x) mirror Sune + Sune (x')

Or as I would do it: (x z') x U2 L U L' U Ra U2 R' U' R U' Ra' x' (z x') (Mirror antisune + antisune compressed, the x is a part of the alg and therefore inside the set up cube rotations and yep I do it BLD in 4-5 seconds, "newer" mess up =)

BTW: After three tries I actually got it
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(To create the scramble I took a fully scrambled cube and solved the edges, fed the corner positions into cube explorer to create a generator = the scramble)