MEMO time for 3x3x3?

[reThinking the Cube]

There have been many suggestions for BLD memorization methods/techniques over the last year or so, and I am wondering what affect this has had on memo times for 3x3x3.

Using your fastest memo methods on freshly scrambled 3x3x3's (please post method descriptions) what are your best average times for just the memo?

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[Simboubou]

I average 25-35 seconds on memo : 15-20 to memorize edges with a "story" method, 10-15 to memorize corners : permutations in "shape", and orientation in "Flash"

 

[Mike Hughey]

I guess I should vote 30-60. I've had times when I've managed to memo sub-30 on a whole set of solves, but that's rare. My overall average is probably 40 to 45 seconds.

I memorize edges first, then flipped-in-place edges, then corners, then twisted-in-place corners. I use images in a story to memorize edges, a single image (or 2, if necessary) for flipped edges, words (my image names, but without visualizing the image) verbally for corners, and pure visual for twisted corners.

 

[Dene]

Over 2 mins using Old Pochmann. I don't practise though.

 

[Feryll]

I remember some member saying he hated people who confused the 'affect' and 'effect' words, but whatever.
I average around 2 mins, maybe more, using M2 and pochmann corners, but if this is supposed to determine the best method, it's flawed. But otherwise, interesting poll.

 

[qqwref]

It depends much more on the person and the amount of practice they've put in than on the particular method. That's all that needs to be said.

 

[chahupping]

i can memo >1min for edges, and maybe 30secs for corners.. the whole solve would take around 2:40 to 3:30 depends on execution..

 

[riffz]

It depends much more on the person and the amount of practice they've put in than on the particular method. That's all that needs to be said.

But good times do indicate the potential of a memory method.

Over 2 mins using Old Pochmann. I don't practise though.

I've never heard of the Old Pochmann memory method.

 

[Dene]

Over 2 mins using Old Pochmann. I don't practise though.

I've never heard of the Old Pochmann memory method.

Just as you solve, you memo sticker by sticker in a cycle. I think the easiest way to categorise this is the same way as the method used to solve it, "Old Pochmann". You might feel the need to contest that but I don't really see any need.

 

[Ranzha]

EO, EP (Old Pochmann), corners.
EO = 10-20 seconds. I'm slow.
EP OP = 40 seconds.
Corners = 1 min 20 sec, because I haven't really established a way to memo with OP corners.

 

[LewisJ]

EO, EP (Old Pochmann), corners.
EO = 10-20 seconds. I'm slow.
EP OP = 40 seconds.
Corners = 1 min 20 sec, because I haven't really established a way to memo with OP corners.

...separate EO with old pochmann? wat?

 

[riffz]

Over 2 mins using Old Pochmann. I don't practise though.

I've never heard of the Old Pochmann memory method.

Just as you solve, you memo sticker by sticker in a cycle. I think the easiest way to categorise this is the same way as the method used to solve it, "Old Pochmann". You might feel the need to contest that but I don't really see any need.

Okay. You meant that you memorize in order of the cycles. But almost everyone does that. I think by memory method he means *how* you remember the pieces and what order they are in.

 

[riffz]

EO, EP (Old Pochmann), corners.
EO = 10-20 seconds. I'm slow.
EP OP = 40 seconds.
Corners = 1 min 20 sec, because I haven't really established a way to memo with OP corners.

...separate EO with old pochmann? wat?

I'm trying to interpret this differently than you, but I think you're right.

Ranzha, do you orient edges and then permute them one by one using Old Pochmann? Or have you confused the name of the edge method you use?

 

[Ranzha]

EO, EP (Old Pochmann), corners.
EO = 10-20 seconds. I'm slow.
EP OP = 40 seconds.
Corners = 1 min 20 sec, because I haven't really established a way to memo with OP corners.

...separate EO with old pochmann? wat?

I'm trying to interpret this differently than you, but I think you're right.

Ranzha, do you orient edges and then permute them one by one using Old Pochmann? Or have you confused the name of the edge method you use?

I do EO, and them I permute OP-style. It's easier to memo, but I'm trying to switch to edges as one step with M2.

 

[riffz]

EO, EP (Old Pochmann), corners.
EO = 10-20 seconds. I'm slow.
EP OP = 40 seconds.
Corners = 1 min 20 sec, because I haven't really established a way to memo with OP corners.

...separate EO with old pochmann? wat?

I'm trying to interpret this differently than you, but I think you're right.

Ranzha, do you orient edges and then permute them one by one using Old Pochmann? Or have you confused the name of the edge method you use?

I do EO, and them I permute OP-style. It's easier to memo, but I'm trying to switch to edges as one step with M2.

That is really wierd. You do know that although you may find it slightly faster to memorize, execution will be way slower, since the setup moves are equally as easy for unoriented edges.

 

[Dene]

Over 2 mins using Old Pochmann. I don't practise though.

I've never heard of the Old Pochmann memory method.

Just as you solve, you memo sticker by sticker in a cycle. I think the easiest way to categorise this is the same way as the method used to solve it, "Old Pochmann". You might feel the need to contest that but I don't really see any need.

Okay. You meant that you memorize in order of the cycles. But almost everyone does that. I think by memory method he means *how* you remember the pieces and what order they are in.

Oh, you mean like visual memo? Like as if there are people around that don't use visual memo for 3x3? XD

Also, I memo corners first, then edges. This way I can establish parity, and adjust appropriately during edge memo. I know that's stupid but I don't bld enough to care.

 

[Zava]

around 15-20, well in competition it is more like 40-60... :S

 

[Zane_C]

When I'm relaxed on my own maby 1:00-1:30.
I don't know what my break downs are though.
Memo corners visually > memo 4 or so edges visually, the rest just put together a bunch of letters to make whatever > solve edges > solve corners.

 

[TMOY]

I can memo consistently in 45-50 seconds. It goes over a minute only when I want to secure it.

 

[riffz]

Over 2 mins using Old Pochmann. I don't practise though.

I've never heard of the Old Pochmann memory method.

Just as you solve, you memo sticker by sticker in a cycle. I think the easiest way to categorise this is the same way as the method used to solve it, "Old Pochmann". You might feel the need to contest that but I don't really see any need.

Okay. You meant that you memorize in order of the cycles. But almost everyone does that. I think by memory method he means *how* you remember the pieces and what order they are in.

Oh, you mean like visual memo? Like as if there are people around that don't use visual memo for 3x3? XD

Also, I memo corners first, then edges. This way I can establish parity, and adjust appropriately during edge memo. I know that's stupid but I don't bld enough to care.

I'm not quite sure I understand what your sarcastic comment meant. :rolleyes: My point was that calling your memory method "Old Pochmann" doesn't make any sense, just as calling your memory method "BH" or "M2" tells people nothing about how you memorize.