MEMO time for 3x3x3?

[trying-to-speedcube...]

Anywhere between 30 and 45. It's the 50-60 execution that screws up my times

 

[onionhoney]

Haiyan uses less than 15 seconds.

 

[Dene]

Over 2 mins using Old Pochmann. I don't practise though.

I've never heard of the Old Pochmann memory method.

Just as you solve, you memo sticker by sticker in a cycle. I think the easiest way to categorise this is the same way as the method used to solve it, "Old Pochmann". You might feel the need to contest that but I don't really see any need.

Okay. You meant that you memorize in order of the cycles. But almost everyone does that. I think by memory method he means *how* you remember the pieces and what order they are in.

Oh, you mean like visual memo? Like as if there are people around that don't use visual memo for 3x3? XD

Also, I memo corners first, then edges. This way I can establish parity, and adjust appropriately during edge memo. I know that's stupid but I don't bld enough to care.

I'm not quite sure I understand what your sarcastic comment meant. My point was that calling your memory method "Old Pochmann" doesn't make any sense, just as calling your memory method "BH" or "M2" tells people nothing about how you memorize.

Heh, I was just trying to say that I memo visually, as I should hope that everyone does for 3x3 bld. There really is no reason to do anything other than visual, which is clearly the best way.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Anywhere between 30 and 45. It's the 50-60 execution that screws up my times

This.

 

[aronpm]

Heh, I was just trying to say that I memo visually, as I should hope that everyone does for 3x3 bld. There really is no reason to do anything other than visual, which is clearly the best way.

I don't do visual for anything...

I memo everything with letters. Maybe I will start doing visual corners when I finish learning BH corners. Normally my memo takes about 30-45 seconds I guess. I'm not sure about the individual times though.

 

[Zane_C]

For multi I memorise 1 cube with all letters and the other completely visual, I find it a lot easier that way.

 

[x-colo-x]

between 25 and 35, i take 20-28 for edges and 4-7 for corners, but i lost a lot of time with execution

 

[Micael]

40-60sec. I don't really practice (though I want!, just too busy). Once I got it, it is just like bike: I can do it anytime.

Method: Person-Action combined with method of loci. I "see" those images in my mind. Not that fast, but very good for recall and multi. I can memorize 10 cubes in 25-30 minutes.

 

[riffz]

Heh, I was just trying to say that I memo visually, as I should hope that everyone does for 3x3 bld. There really is no reason to do anything other than visual, which is clearly the best way.

I'm pretty sure Haiyan uses letters or something of the sort. Plus a lot of very fast BLD solvers don't use visual. But I guess your BLD times are the ultimate testament to visual. (Just to clarify, my last sentence was a joke.)

 

[joey]

Visual is the best, by far.

 

[ben1996123]

4 minutes,

I memo in this order:

Edges
Flipped edges
Parity
Corners
Twisted corners

I use letter pairs for memo, and usually just remember a bunch of letters, which edges to flip (eg. DF buffer, FL FD etc.), and the same for twisted corners (eg. L2 y' chameleon shaped oll with commutators y L2 etc.)

 

[Mike Hughey]

Visual is the best, by far.

If it's really true that Haiyan uses letters instead of pure visual, then I would be inclined to disagree with you. But I admit I don't know if that's true or not.

It seems to me that it should eventually be possible to be just as fast with a mnemonic system as you are with pure visual, although it certainly would take a lot of practice to get that fast, whereas visual is immediately very fast.

 

[Ville Seppänen]

<15s. Letters for edges, mainly visual for corners.

 

[joey]

Haiyan just has VERY good exec, not memo.

 

[riffz]

<15s. Letters for edges, mainly visual for corners.

PLEASE tell us how you memorize corners! What tricks do you use?

Haiyan just has VERY good exec, not memo.

I'd say < 15s memo is pretty damn good.


I know some of the fastest BLD solvers use visual, but that still doesn't mean it's the best choice for everyone. I think some people are better off using memory methods because they can't recall pure visual.

 

[mande]

My memo is usually around 1:10ish.
I use letter pairs for EP, numbers for CP, visual for EO and CO. (I use 3OP)
I memo EP first, then CP, and then (EO and CO) in any order.

 

[Micael]

Haiyan just has VERY good exec, not memo.

What do you mean Joey? I see 2 world record videos of him with 11-12sec memo.

 

[joey]

I mean, obviously he has very good memo, but his exec is more impressive I think.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Oh, and since Ville uses letters too, then I'm even more convinced: letters must be at least almost as good as visual. So, visual might still in fact be best, but I don't believe it's best by far. Sorry, Joey.

 

[amostay2004]

I think I'm sort of a mix between visual and letters for edges. I use letters to memo but most of the time I would actually visualise those letters in my head to memorise them.