MatsBergsten
Premium Member
Just in honour of Joey (or his claim) I actually memoed and solved a whole cube visually. It was easier than I thought, took only 3:30 or so.
Oh, and since Ville uses letters too, then I'm even more convinced: letters must be at least almost as good as visual. So, visual might still in fact be best, but I don't believe it's best by far. Sorry, Joey.
I think I'm sort of a mix between visual and letters for edges. I use letters to memo but most of the time I would actually visualise those letters in my head to memorise them.
In my opinion, the word "visual" is a bit ambigous. I use images so I actually "visualise" them. That is not at all what we mean by "visual". Most people here understand what we mean by "visual", but I still think a more specific word would be better.
EO, EP (Old Pochmann), corners.
EO = 10-20 seconds. I'm slow.
EP OP = 40 seconds.
Corners = 1 min 20 sec, because I haven't really established a way to memo with OP corners.
...separate EO with old pochmann? wat?
I'm trying to interpret this differently than you, but I think you're right.
Ranzha, do you orient edges and then permute them one by one using Old Pochmann? Or have you confused the name of the edge method you use?
I do EO, and them I permute OP-style. It's easier to memo, but I'm trying to switch to edges as one step with M2.
That is really wierd. You do know that although you may find it slightly faster to memorize, execution will be way slower, since the setup moves are equally as easy for unoriented edges.
I'm getting bullied now.
[...] where with visual it seems like it's hard to just keep going for hours at it. But maybe that's just me.
I'm getting bullied now.
Just so you know, even though I don't think it's "better by far", I do suspect it is better. So don't take it too hard - I still think you have a point.
I think visual is probably fastest (perhaps by only fractions of a second) when perfected. But the advantage of not doing visual is you're more likely to be able to do lots and lots of them in a row, where with visual it seems like it's hard to just keep going for hours at it. But maybe that's just me.
[...] where with visual it seems like it's hard to just keep going for hours at it. But maybe that's just me.
What!? To keep going for hours! You do that?
EO, EP (Old Pochmann), corners.
EO = 10-20 seconds. I'm slow.
EP OP = 40 seconds.
Corners = 1 min 20 sec, because I haven't really established a way to memo with OP corners.
EO, EP (Old Pochmann), corners.
EO = 10-20 seconds. I'm slow.
EP OP = 40 seconds.
Corners = 1 min 20 sec, because I haven't really established a way to memo with OP corners.
I know. This thread is a bit old.
But... WHAT?! The principle of Old Pochmann is pretty much to do orientation and permutation in one step!
My memo is about 30-50 I will practice though.
my memo time is about 15-20 . i hate it .... slow down my overall time both corner and edge use letters, but edge letters memo with "sound", corner letters translate to "image". maybe i should try ville's mainly visual corner method.