WCA Announcement on BLD

[Dene]

Firstly, I must say, well done to you Joël, it seems the bulk of their decision is based on your work. Especially a double well done to Mr. Hardwick for his 2 new world records, and the others for theirs!
As for Krazy K. I think the sentence is fair enough. I mean, it might even be 3 years until I can get to one single competition. The time will be over in a flash, and he feels the need to show his face again and beat all his current records, then he'll be albe to, or else he can just never turn up again. Of course, keeping on the same thinking that 3 years in not that long a time, imagine if he were to be in competitions in just a year from now? Everyone will still remember hi and he will be completely rejected from everyone, an outcast full of shame. Hopefully (from his point of view) in 3 years many will have forgotten ,and others moved on. Those that haven't will end up being the rejects then.

 

[Pedro]

How much prize money has he won?

2000 euros, just at WC07

don't know about other competitions

 

[pjk]

The WCA found him guilty
Lots of people helped to provide prove that he cheated on several occasions.
Quite a lot of money was involved
He didn't confess or show remorse!

True. But think about the point of a suspension. It is a consequence of cheating. It is designed to make it him learn, correct? I think 1 year is definitely enough to make him learn.

 

[KConny]

I view it as only 2 years.

WCA has banned the competitor for three years for all WCA competitions, starting today. The competitor may appeal for reinstatement after two years, if he fully cooperates with WCA.

So if he wants to cheat again he would have to wait yet another year.

 

[MarcusStuhr]

Joel: I'd actually have to sit down and try to quantify something, but I'm just speaking in generalities here/approximating/ballparking. I am saying that, for example, his unfair actions technically incurred cost to everyone involved in the competitions. However, during that same period, he also gained through cheating. So, to compensate, you can figure out a reasonable ban period that makes the cheater internalize the cost (in terms of foregone benefit that would be comparable to the costs).

In other words, three years is reasonable considering the amount of money people spent flying to these events, the amount of prize money won unfairly, and the amount of utility foregone by honest participants. Three years is reasonable in this case. Some people have to wait years to even have a crack at a given event.

Bla bla bla bla

 

[Lotsofsloths]

The fairest thing I could think of was to take him to a single comp. with no others to compete but him.
Then, give him a scrambled cube, let him do his work, apply the blindfold, then judges can hold paper in front of him.
See if the end result if the times match up with the normal times he gets. If he is not cheating and gets good times(like average times for him) then erase his WR for single BLD 3x3 and let him compete agin, but prize money as to go back..


repeat x3 to ensure he is not cheating.

 

[Hadley4000]

How much prize money has he won?

2000 euros, just at WC07

don't know about other competitions

So if he was cheating to win, got the money, and won't return it, that's pretty much stealing.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

sorry to repost but Rowe hessler wants to state his opinion on this matter, and dont ask me if it REALLY IS Rowe hessler cause it IS. im not lieing or anything its ACTUALY him, so no questions like that. anyway...


rowehessler: [name removed] cheated. he deseved what he got, especially if he freakin lied about it to the WCA. cheating is like the worst thing u can do to the cubing community he elimated the opportunity for other BLD cubers to get the rankings that theyve deserved, like chris hardwick or danyang chen and dennis. these three are 3 of the most honest cubers i know and they deserve the WRs more then anyone. what [name removed] did was selfish and i dont knwo if i can ever forgive him for it. i think he owes all of us an apology.

 

[Lt-UnReaL]

He stole money from competitions, and had to cheat to do so...which is dishonest, and also lied about it. Three years seems fair to me.

 

[pjk]

Rowe, if you're reading this, email me at pjkcards[at]gmail[dot]com with your login details (username, pass, email) and I will get your account working. I think when you registered last time, your email was invalid, therefore you didn't get the activation email and it made it impossible to get the account functioning.

 

[badmephisto]

...wow... that's gotta sting! So much for my respect for him, i don't care how good he is in everything else.

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

the competitor should have known he was going to get caught, he should have just played it straight like the rest of us. :]

 

[Leo]

As for holding a piece of paper over, couldn't you get something that would clip a piece of paper/cardboard suspended over the table with adjustable height, and the cuber most keep the cube under there? I'm pretty sure something that could be used to do this exists, just can't think of the name.

Wouldn't work for standing though..

 

[MarcusStuhr]

Just use blindfold goggles and that takes care of everything. No need for paper.

 

[Hadley4000]

Think he will ever admit it?

 

[Lofty]

hmm, mixed feelings on the matter.
he did cheat and steal so deserves a very severe punishment and in that case there us nothing wrong with the punishment, I do feel bad tho for all the time he put into practicing other events and got so good at them all for naught...
but in light of the cheating he did he should be lucky to cube again.
I feel honored to be mentioned by Rama You and GillesVDP were always my cubing idols

 

[TimMc]

Cheating is always a part of sport. What he did was wrong but three years is a bit harsh!

It was the WCA that didn't implement a decent means of being blindfolded. Really, who lets competitors bring their "own" blindfolds to an event? :-/

They'd be pretty hard pressed trying to get prize money back... I doubt the rules and regulations fully account for this situation.

Tim.

 

[Johannes91]

I doubt the rules and regulations fully account for this situation.

There's at least this one:

11f) The main judge, organisation team and WCA delegate must not support their decisions with video or photograph analysis.

 

[Lofty]

I doubt the rules and regulations fully account for this situation.

There's at least this one:

11f) The main judge, organisation team and WCA delegate must not support their decisions with video or photograph analysis.

Is cheating considered an "Incorrect execution of event procedures, by officials or competitors" ?

 

[Johannes91]

11f) The main judge, organisation team and WCA delegate must not support their decisions with video or photograph analysis.

Is cheating considered an "Incorrect execution of event procedures, by officials or competitors" ?

Edit: Nevermind, someone pointed out that the rule doesn't mention WCA *Board*.

/me should sleep more