Color Neutral walkthrough

Heh, firstly the word is "neutral" not "natural". Secondly, really there is no need for this video. If someone says "it slows you down" they are a completely inane moron that doesn't understand the concept of colour neutrality. By definition being colour neutral means that there is no difference to your times. If it is slowing you down you are not colour neutral.
Using my predicting the future skills, I can see that this thread is going to fill up with idiots that will try to argue that I'm wrong. Oh well, I've already flamed them so I have nothing more to say.
 
Dene said:
Heh, firstly the word is "neutral" not "natural". Secondly, really there is no need for this video. If someone says "it slows you down" they are a completely inane moron that doesn't understand the concept of colour neutrality. By definition being colour neutral means that there is no difference to your times. If it is slowing you down you are not colour neutral.
Using my predicting the future skills, I can see that this thread is going to fill up with idiots that will try to argue that I'm wrong. Oh well, I've already flamed them so I have nothing more to say.
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I was colour neutral before and you can say that it was indirectly slowing me down beacause when i started to always solve cross on orange I got better recognition and faster times.

I don't think that sounds too idiotic;)
 
Dene said:
By definition being colour neutral means that there is no difference to your times. If it is slowing you down you are not colour neutral.
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This isn't quite right. Being color neutral means that the color you choose to start with makes no difference to your times. This does not necessarily mean being color neutral won't slow you down. It is possible that had you decided to choose one color over the others to always start with, then your recognition for that color would be enhanced.
 
Joseph Gibney said:
Dene said:
By definition being colour neutral means that there is no difference to your times. If it is slowing you down you are not colour neutral.
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This isn't quite right. Being color neutral means that the color you choose to start with makes no difference to your times. This does not necessarily mean being color neutral won't slow you down. It is possible that had you decided to choose one color over the others to always start with, then your recognition for that color would be enhanced.
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Exactly what I am trying to say
 
I used to be color neutral but when I started using F2L I realized that it was slowing me down. So I switched to just starting with the white side.. Now I use opposite cross, it doesn't require as much practise and sometimes it helps a lot :D
 
If there's no point to being color neutral, then there's even less advantage to being opposite color neutral. Pick a side of the fence, you can't be on both.
 
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i can't believe i'm saying this, but i agree with dene.

definition of neutral: not causing or reflecting a change in something.

if you are color neutral, all colors produce equal times.

this being said, nobody is truly color neutral, because no matter how much you train your mind, black will still offer quicker recognition on the cube than yellow.

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quote from Joseph: "Being color neutral means that the color you choose to start with makes no difference to your times. This does not necessarily mean being color neutral won't slow you down."

i lol'd at this one. an exact representation of what you said is:

x makes no difference to y.

and in the next sentence:

however, this doesn't mean x won't make a difference to y.

...did that make sense to you when you wrote it?
 
What Joe Gibney is trying to say is that someone who is color neutral may average 18 for any color cross, but if they picked a single color and practiced only that one, then they could easily average 16.

brunson said:
I there's no point to being color neutral, then there's even less advantage to being opposite color neutral. Pick a side of the fence, you can't be on both.
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The two are not comparable. For dual-solving (opp neutral) you use half of the same pieces for F2L, and the other half are very similar. I see all forms of color neutrality as a way to avoid bad crosses, and dual-solving accomplishes that with a lot greater ease than full color neutrality.
 
Vault312 said:
brunson said:
If there's no point to being color neutral, then there's even less advantage to being opposite color neutral. Pick a side of the fence, you can't be on both.
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The two are not comparable. For dual-solving (opp neutral) you use half of the same pieces for F2L, and the other half are very similar. I see all forms of color neutrality as a way to avoid bad crosses, and dual-solving accomplishes that with a lot greater ease than full color neutrality.
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The two are absolutely comparable.
 
holypasta said:
quote from Joseph: "Being color neutral means that the color you choose to start with makes no difference to your times. This does not necessarily mean being color neutral won't slow you down."

i lol'd at this one. an exact representation of what you said is:

x makes no difference to y.

and in the next sentence:

however, this doesn't mean x won't make a difference to y.

...did that make sense to you when you wrote it?
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I think vault has already sufficiently clarified my previous statement with his example, although I thought the next sentence of my post would accomplish that as well. By definition, it makes no difference to a color neutral solver's times which side he/she starts with. However, focusing your efforts on one color might lead to faster recognition for that side. I'm not saying that color neutral solving is good or bad; there are very good cubers that use it to great effect. Personally, I feel that opposite color solving is a nice compromise, and I use that in my solves.

And to answer your question, holypasta: Yes, I did think that my post made sense when I wrote it, although I was posting in haste, so perhaps I should have made my language more precise.
 
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