Petrus Or Fridrich?

[Lotsofsloths]

I just now recently learned how-to solve the cube using the Petrus method, i still get around 1min with it, but I stall and take my time.
Here are benefits of the Petrus, that Fridrich doesn't have:
**more freedom of movement
**Only 7 OLLs
**faster moves(a whole segment where you can ONLY use R moves and U moves)

Less algs faster movement, seems better to me!

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A cubist, unsure to use the petrus or fridrich.

 

[Theromy]

Where did you learn to solve using petrus? I'd be quite interested in learning more about it.

 

[ExoCorsair]

Here are benefits of the Petrus, that Fridrich doesn't have:
**more freedom of movement
**Only 7 OLLs
**faster moves(a whole segment where you can ONLY use R moves and U moves)

F2L tricks (alternative insertions, empty slot, multi-slotting) allow for some freedom. However, in Petrus, you need be able to execute the optimal solutions (or close to them) to get your lower move counts.

You only need 3 (maybe 2) OLLs for Fridrich, honestly. Most people that I know that use Petrus and are really fast use OLL/PLL anyway... Besides, you can combine LL steps to do LL in fewer looks, and combine all 3 steps for the ZBLL algs.

My entire F2L (minus cross) is done with R's and U's too (with x rotations or l moves, of course). Most of my PLLs are also two-gen algorithms.

 

[Lotsofsloths]

Where did you learn to solve using petrus? I'd be quite interested in learning more about it.

Lars Petrus's Site; lar5.cube.com

My entire F2L (minus cross) is done with R's and U's too (with x rotations or l moves, of course). Most of my PLLs are also two-gen algorithms.

Hmm!
thats interesting, guess that you could position the cube to make that so..

 

[pjk]

I'd recommend Fridrich out of the two. However, I suggest you work on Roux.

 

[annon]

I'd been using Petrus until about a week ago when I decided to switch to Fridrich. The reason being that I hit a 35.xx average wall 9 months ago and haven't improved since. The problem with Petrus is that you have to spend so much extra time looking. It's a great method for fewest moves, but not so great for speed. I mean, Lars Petrus's best average with his own method is 21.xx, and he's been using it for decades. I want sub-20 averages, so I'm switching to Fridrich.

 

[Johannes91]

To become a good programmer, you need to know many (different) languages. Similarly, I think that you need to know several methods (Petrus, Roux and Fridrich at the very least) to become a good cuber. And by "knowing a method" I mean averaging sub-20 and understanding it well (low move count).

If you want to learn only one method (there's "or" in the title), then it's up to you to decide which one. But I hope you realize that almost everybody's advice is biased towards their favourite method or the only method they know (which, on average, is Fridrich).

The problem with Petrus is that you have to spend so much extra time looking.

Simply not true. Please don't use such lame excuses and say it's the method's fault just because you can't do it.

Lars Petrus's best average with his own method is 21.xx, and he's been using it for decades.

Lars is just one of the many people using it. I'm sure there are cubers who've been using Fridrich for a long time and average above 20.

lar5.cube.com

lar5.com/cube

However, in Petrus, you need be able to execute the optimal solutions (or close to them) to get your lower move counts.

I'd say that below 55 is easy, and from what I've heard that's already less than typical Fridrich solves. But getting down to 45-50 requires some skill.

Most people that I know that use Petrus and are really fast use OLL/PLL anyway...

That sounds a bit misleading, because they only use 7 OLL algs (EO is done already). I prefer calling that OCLL to avoid confusion.

 

[Lotsofsloths]

I suggest you work on Roux.

ROUX!
yay!
i've always wanted to learn that method wheres a link to all the tuts on it, i didn't understand the one on his site(giles roux)...

im also deciding to TRY blindfolded solving
but i guess this goes in the other forum lol

 

[badmephisto]

Fridrich is the way to go if you want to get really quick.
I might be wrong... but please point me to someone using pure Petrus with averages below 15 seconds? I haven't seen something like that... where as there is plenty of people in their low 10's using Fridrich

Also I hear lots of things about Roux... I looked at the method and it looks pretty nice actually, but are there any people out there currently that use it to get very good times? A quick search of this only reveals a couple of people in the 20's averages, and a few lucky solves in 12's or so. But its a new method, so maybe that is a factor.

anyway, I use Fridrich and I find it very good... but Roux looks promising as well...

 

[Johannes91]

but please point me to someone using pure Petrus with averages below 15 seconds?

Anthony Hsu and I average sub-15 with Petrus F2L. He doesn't use COLL as far as I know, though, but it doesn't really matter.

Also I hear lots of things about Roux... I looked at the method and it looks pretty nice actually, but are there any people out there currently that use it to get very good times?

Gilles Roux.

 

[Lotsofsloths]

I went to gile site, and looked at his tut, i dont get step 4 though, that where i get stuck...

 

[h3ndrik]

this might help you.

the tutorials are really good. they are made from a member of this forum, you can contact him at [email protected]. for specific questions you can also ask me

 

[badmephisto]

this might help you.

the tutorials are really good. they are made from a member of this forum, you can contact him at [email protected]. for specific questions you can also ask me

thx for the link its a good tutorial... Now if i only weren't totally horrible at M/M'/M2 moves, i'd even think of trying to switch

 

[Lotsofsloths]

thanks also, i looked at those already and still dont get them lol..
step 4a is incredibly confusing

 

[Protest]

yea i can only do step 1 ad 2, and cant do the COLL or whatever it is, thought i havent looked at any algs yet.

 

[Lotsofsloths]

i mean, i just plain out dont get step 4.

 

[Johannes91]

i just plain out dont get step 4.

What's so difficult?

Step 4a: Frist create a ce-pair, and the use it to build a 1x2x2 block (a.k.a. square).
Step 4b: Finish F2L by solving the final ce-pair.

 

[braineater]

Step 4a: Frist create a ce-pair, and the use it to build a 1x2x2 block (a.k.a. square).
Step 4b: Finish F2L by solving the final ce-pair.

I think he's talking about the Roux method.

 

[Johannes91]

I think he's talking about the Roux method.

He was talking about "step 4a" a couple of posts earlier, so I thought it's about Petrus.

Edit: Hmm, I didn't know that Roux has 4a, too.

 

[h3ndrik]

yea i can only do step 1 ad 2, and cant do the COLL or whatever it is, thought i haven't looked at any algs yet.

for the start you can learn the seven fridrich OLLs where all edges are correctly oriented. after that you can switch the corners using A, Y or T PLLs.
adds a step, but you can achieve good times with this variation (which I'm using as well ) kind of a 2 look coll.