[Help Thread] 4x4 sub 1:30 help.

[That0newe1rdo]

I mase a big gamble, i signed up for Newcastle Summer 2025 in 4x4, and cutoff is 1:30 and time limit is 2:00.
Im should be fine with the time limit (i avg like sub 2 rn)
Basically, Id love some tips on how to get sub 1:30 (or even js sub 1:40/1:45, cause at least i have a higher chance of making cutoff)
I use hoya with 3-2-3 edge pairing btw.
I am planning to get the aosu v7 single track to replace my meilong m.
Hardware, although I know doesnt help much as you get faster, but I am at a point where my meilong m locks up enough times for me to think i will benefit decently from getting a new/better main.

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Note - will do an ao5 to find my avg splits.
Also bumping.

 

[That0newe1rdo]

F2C - 10s
S2C - 10s
Cross Edges - 20s
L2C - 10s
3-2-3 - 30s
3x3 stage - 15 to 30 seconds (depending on parity and 3x3 scramble)

 

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plan full first center in inspection, also is this yau or hoya???

 

[Yann1qua12DagOat]

I don't know anything about hoya really, but if you still use a bad cube (perhaps non-magnetic), get a better one (it really helps). Get the Vin 4x4. Then you will be saved. Also, I would say learn how to do half-centers (again, if that actually exists in hoya). I hope you do well!

 

[Cubinginatree]

Not much to say other than, learn Yau(Jperm has a great video on it) and just practice a lot.

 

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its find if u dont use yau, its still respectable. just be better at 3-2-3 by learjng the soecial dases

 

[That0newe1rdo]

plan full first center in inspection, also is this yau or hoya???

Hoya .

 

[That0newe1rdo]

plan full first center in inspection, also is this yau or hoya???

I can already do that, might start forcing myself to plan 2nd center as well just cause it will help

 

[That0newe1rdo]

I don't know anything about hoya really, but if you still use a bad cube (perhaps non-magnetic), get a better one (it really helps). Get the Vin 4x4. Then you will be saved. Also, I would say learn how to do half-centers (again, if that actually exists in hoya). I hope you do well!

1- my main is the Meilong 4m , not very good but does the job. Im gonna get the auso v7 single track in a week or 2 as a friend lent me theirs and i loved it.
2 - half centers dont exist on hoya (i think, and yes ik you werent sure about it yourself)
Hoya centers are pretty much just like redux centers.

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Not much to say other than, learn Yau(Jperm has a great video on it) and just practice a lot.

I used to use yau (with 6-2 edge pairing cause im different) but no matter how much i practiced or tried to wrap my head round the cross and center creating.
I checked out hoya and found it both made my 3x3 stage (and edge pairing stage) significantly faster, whilst being easier for me to understand. I alsso switched to 3-2-3 edge pairing like 2 days ago.

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Does anyone know where I can find an alg sheet for sl2c ? (i dont think theres a proper name for it yet, but it uses parts of the f3l method to skip the last 2 centers in hoya) btw - sl2c = skip last 2 centers

 

[That0newe1rdo]

Does anyone know where I can find an alg sheet for sl2c ? (i dont think theres a proper name for it yet, but it uses parts of the f3l method to skip the last 2 centers in hoya) btw - sl2c = skip last 2 centers

if not ill try make my own spreadsheet for them or something
edit - anyone know any hoya solvers (mainly ones faster then me) that i can ping without tehm getting mad to ask for tips ?

 

[That0newe1rdo]

also might ask abunickabhi to close thread soon as im getting ALOT of sub 1:30 solves, recently. to be sure, i will keep this open unitl i get a sub 1:30 a100 or my ovr avg bgoes sub 1:35 or sub 1:30

 

[precompsubwr]

It would probably be better for us to see a recon of one of your solves, that way we know what your thought process is during the solve

 

[That0newe1rdo]

It would probably be better for us to see a recon of one of your solves, that way we know what your thought process is during the solve

Ok ! Its getting late for me so Ill try find a good angle and that and do an ao5 on cam tmrw !
Edit - js read that again, I would do recons but I cant remember things for crap

 

[precompsubwr]

Ok ! Its getting late for me so Ill try find a good angle and that and do an ao5 on cam tmrw !
Edit - js read that again, I would do recons but I cant remember things for crap

You can make recons from the videos themselves btw

 

[xyzzy]

Does anyone know where I can find an alg sheet for sl2c ? (i dont think theres a proper name for it yet, but it uses parts of the f3l method to skip the last 2 centers in hoya) btw - sl2c = skip last 2 centers

If you're averaging 1:30, what you need isn't to learn fancy algs; it's to just get better at the basics. I'm fairly sure I average around a minute with Hoya and I don't even do anything fancy (because I don't main Hoya).

It doesn't necessarily hurt to have a look at the fancy methods, but you should be aware that it's really not the most important thing to work on.

 

[That0newe1rdo]

You can make recons from the videos themselves btw

True, but ive tried to do this before and ive always struggled to find my solution.

 

[That0newe1rdo]

If you're averaging 1:30, what you need isn't to learn fancy algs; it's to just get better at the basics. I'm fairly sure I average around a minute with Hoya and I don't even do anything fancy (because I don't main Hoya).

It doesn't necessarily hurt to have a look at the fancy methods, but you should be aware that it's really not the most important thing to work on.

Although your probably right about this, I was gonna look at learning it as it can shave a couple seconds off (for me, personally) off my avg, and tbh i can make a more intuitive and simple version off it that still benefits me without being too fancy and that in a day or 2 tbh (assuming I look for any alg that work)