(but im sticking with zz)
You have to learn ZZ-CT before ZZ-C++. C++ is really just learning more algs to supplement CTWhich one should I use?
Just your honest opinions
A hybrid of ZZ-CT and ZZ-c proposed by Chris Tran where the best algorithm is chosen between depending on the situation- either ZZ-CT's TSLE, or ZZ-c's OLS. [2] from the wiki
But CT has way less algs then ZBLL
Sorry I thought you meant: " Learn ZBLL not CT"
don't even COLL EPLL. just OCLL PLL. still comparable to CT if you keep your algs on lock.
What is ZZ method?l
Easy, but not good. Just pick a set and dive in.
I don't think there's any problem with COLL if you use it OS style. Personally, I don't really want to dedicate the time to learning 3x3 HPLL sequences, an easy alternative is to take the COLL's that I know, that are not bad, and if I can recognize it instantly, use the COLL. This is also incredibly useful in doing things like avoiding a diag swap without wasting time on COLL, lefty wide sexy sledge isn't any slower than doing it righty, and you can avoid a U2 AUF by doing an alternative sequence. This of course is not the only example, but it's a good one.
This has to be a ****ing copypasta there's no wayI don't think there's any problem with OS COLL. Personally, I don't really want to dedicate the time to learning 3x3 HPLL sequences, an easy alternative is to take the COLL's that I know, that are not bad, and if I can recognize it instantly, use the COLL. This is also incredibly useful in doing things like avoiding a diag swap without wasting time on COLL, lefty wide sexy sledge isn't any slower than doing it righty, and you can avoid a U2 AUF by doing an alternative sequence. This of course is not the only example, but it's a good one.
Of course COLL>>EPLL isn't as good as ZBLL, and a lot of times it's not as good as OCLL>>PLL. A moron could see that. There's no reason for pushing that limited statement around. Give the full picture, be more inclusive. COLL is not objectively bad; it has its purposes and it has its flaws. Learn how to work with it. HPLL is not objectively the optimal path for everyone. Believe it or not, some people are fine with knowing only part of COLL. Not everyone has the dedication to learning HPLL, or even a set of it. Other people might prioritize other things in life other than plastic puzzles, or maybe they have other hobbies they have to spend time on too, or maybe they have mental health problems/disorders that make it impossible to learn, or at least, so challenging it's a waste of time.
COLL is a great place to start, you don't have to learn all the cases, just learn the good ones and it provides a great foundation for future development. You may be surprised to hear this but a lot of HPLLs are variations of one another! This means that if you learn a COLL, it could likely transition well to other cases. When you see the similarities, it will make the other cases almost effortless (this is very true with EO Tripod). This may also come as a shock, but 100% of COLLs are HPLLs! This means that you can learn certain patterns and recognize HPLLs and on fly using block recognition. This won't work for all cases, some are a bit tougher to recognize, but it's still a useful skill to have. And guess what, since those COLLs are actually sneaky HPLLs, that means you have less sequences to learn later if you decide to pursue HPLL later, imagine!
It's almost like COLL isn't as bad as you say
Imagine needing CP to recognize a ZBLL. Couldn’t be me.I don't think there's any problem with OS COLL. Personally, I don't really want to dedicate the time to learning 3x3 HPLL sequences, an easy alternative is to take the COLL's that I know, that are not bad, and if I can recognize it instantly, use the COLL. This is also incredibly useful in doing things like avoiding a diag swap without wasting time on COLL, lefty wide sexy sledge isn't any slower than doing it righty, and you can avoid a U2 AUF by doing an alternative sequence. This of course is not the only example, but it's a good one.
Of course COLL>>EPLL isn't as good as ZBLL, and a lot of times it's not as good as OCLL>>PLL. A moron could see that. There's no reason for pushing that limited statement around. Give the full picture, be more inclusive. COLL is not objectively bad; it has its purposes and it has its flaws. Learn how to work with it. HPLL is not objectively the optimal path for everyone. Believe it or not, some people are fine with knowing only part of COLL. Not everyone has the dedication to learning HPLL, or even a set of it. Other people might prioritize other things in life other than plastic puzzles, or maybe they have other hobbies they have to spend time on too, or maybe they have mental health problems/disorders that make it impossible to learn, or at least, so challenging it's a waste of time.
COLL is a great place to start, you don't have to learn all the cases, just learn the good ones and it provides a great foundation for future development. You may be surprised to hear this but a lot of HPLLs are variations of one another! This means that if you learn a COLL, it could likely transition well to other cases. When you see the similarities, it will make the other cases almost effortless (this is very true with EO Tripod). This may also come as a shock, but 100% of COLLs are HPLLs! This means that you can learn certain patterns and recognize HPLLs and on fly using block recognition. This won't work for all cases, some are a bit tougher to recognize, but it's still a useful skill to have. And guess what, since those COLLs are actually sneaky HPLLs, that means you have less sequences to learn later if you decide to pursue HPLL later, imagine!
It's almost like COLL isn't as bad as you say
I've only used copypasta one in my life so maybe that's some sort of reference that went over my head, but if you don't mind me asking, what in the world are you talking about? If you aren't familiar, HPLL is a more accurate name for ZBLL. I can't imagine that's what the confusion is about. If it's about me throwing together a couple of lazy paragraphs, I did that because I'm tired of seeing the two extremes that either COLL is trash or that COLL is OP. Both are objectively wrong and so I stated my reasoning for disagreeing.
Maybe you didn't comprehend what my post said. I reworded the first sentence so if you were reading it wrong the whole time because of my sloppy post it should be fixed now. What I was saying is that you would only use COLL if the sequence is good and recognizing it doesn't add any extra time. This is true for a lot of L cases as well as T, U, and debatably H (I use H COLL the majority of the time, it however isn't necessarily optimal).Imagine needing CP to recognize a ZBLL. Couldn’t be me.
Real though, if you aren’t gonna learn ZBLL why use COLL when it isn’t even better than OCLL PLL? Mfs will really force Z perms over adj PLL
Super interesting name, I would say, it is trying to include the famous and universal programming language C++.
I'm sorry--what?I don't think there's any problem with COLL if you use it OS style. Personally, I don't really want to dedicate the time to learning 3x3 HPLL sequences, an easy alternative is to take the COLL's that I know, that are not bad, and if I can recognize it instantly, use the COLL. This is also incredibly useful in doing things like avoiding a diag swap without wasting time on COLL, lefty wide sexy sledge isn't any slower than doing it righty, and you can avoid a U2 AUF by doing an alternative sequence. This of course is not the only example, but it's a good one.
Of course COLL>>EPLL isn't as good as HPLL, and a lot of times it's not as good as OCLL>>PLL. A moron could see that. There's no reason for pushing that limited statement around. Give the full picture, be more inclusive. COLL is not objectively bad; it has its purposes and it has its flaws. Learn how to work with it. HPLL is not objectively the optimal path for everyone. Believe it or not, some people are fine with knowing only part of COLL. Not everyone has the dedication to learning HPLL, or even a set of it. Other people might prioritize other things in life other than plastic puzzles, or maybe they have other hobbies they have to spend time on too, or maybe they have mental health problems/disorders that make it impossible to learn, or at least, so challenging it's a waste of time.
COLL is a great place to start, you don't have to learn all the cases, just learn the good ones and it provides a great foundation for future development. You may be surprised to hear this but a lot of HPLLs are variations of one another! This means that if you learn a COLL, it could likely transition well to other cases. When you see the similarities, it will make the other cases almost effortless (this is very true with EO Tripod). This may also come as a shock, but 100% of COLLs are HPLLs! This means that you can learn certain patterns and recognize HPLLs and on fly using block recognition. This won't work for all cases, some are a bit tougher to recognize, but it's still a useful skill to have. And guess what, since those COLLs are actually sneaky HPLLs, that means you have less sequences to learn later if you decide to pursue HPLL later, imagine!
It's almost like COLL isn't as bad as you say
You don't say.
