ZZ is Better Than CFOP

[voidrx]

 

[Luke Solves Cubes]

Well ZZ is harder to learn and there is less tutorials and tips then on CFOP

 

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Just kidding

 

[voidrx]

Well ZZ is harder to learn and there is less tutorials and tips then on CFOP

If we are talking about top level, which you should when comparing methods, then difficulty to learn is irrelevant.
As to your second point, again, that just makes it harder to learn, but few things are easier and better at the same time. Also, some ZZers have been working on some resources to help with different aspects of ZZ. When those are released, idk when dont ask me, this point will be even more moot.

 

[turtwig]

Who is currently the fastest ZZ solver (3x3 or OH)?

 

[voidrx]

Who is currently the fastest ZZ solver (3x3 or OH)?

Dale Palmares is currently sub-8 in 2h, John Smith, also known as RadicalMacaroni, was sub7 before he quit. I'm not sure about OH

 

[xyzzy]

If we are talking about top level, which you should when comparing methods

So all of the rest of us who aren't "top level" can just quit speedcubing because we're irrelevant? Okay.

 

[turtwig]

So all of the rest of us who aren't "top level" can just quit speedcubing because we're irrelevant? Okay.

Yep, this is definitely what he's trying to say.

 

[Timona]

Or you can just use ZB

 

[Kaedenthecuber]

zz is better than cfop but harder to learn

 

[Swagrid]

So all of the rest of us who aren't "top level" can just quit speedcubing because we're irrelevant? Okay.

Yeah honestly you can get to like around sub 10 with almost any method so method comparison has to be held to a higher standard than that, therefore everyone who isn't sub 8 should just instantly quit the hobby. Myself included. Typing my resignation as we speak.

 

[Luke Solves Cubes]

Yeah honestly you can get to like around sub 10 with almost any method so method comparison has to be held to a higher standard than that, therefore everyone who isn't sub 8 should just instantly quit the hobby. Myself included. Typing my resignation as we speak.

Hope you're not serious.

 

[ruffleduck]

As a high priest of the ZZ method I don't like your comparion. ZZ's advantage over CFOP is LSLL, but CFOP wins when it comes to F2L-1. Essentially, the real question when comparing ZZ to CFOP is: is having EO solved worth being an entire pair behind? The amount of moves spent and the difficulty planning solving EOcross is as much as solving an xcross/cross+1.
CFOP is a respectable method which has its trumps in its versatility.

 

[Swagrid]

Hope you're not serious.

fear not, tis sarcasm
(well, you can get to around 10 with most methods. Doesn't mean everyone should quit.)

 

[voidrx]

Or you can just use ZB

ZBLS isnt very good.

 

[Timona]

ZBLS isnt very good.

With enough practice, it probably can be.

 

[OreKehStrah]

With enough practice, it probably can be.

No. ZBLS algs are just bad lol. You can find people that use CFOP, ZZ, and ZB all day that a lot of ZBLS sucks to the point you probably don’t even save time by doing ZBLL because you made LS so much worse. Combine that with the fact most people won’t learn the sunes sets and sometimes H and Pi and now you’ve made LS worse to not even have 1LLL every time.

 

[Timona]

No. ZBLS algs are just bad lol. You can find people that use CFOP, ZZ, and ZB all day that a lot of ZBLS sucks to the point you probably don’t even save time by doing ZBLL because you made LS so much worse. Combine that with the fact most people won’t learn the sunes sets and sometimes H and Pi and now you’ve made LS worse to not even have 1LLL every time.

What of VHLS?

 

[ruffleduck]

What of VHLS?

That is even worse because it is two step ZBLS