Should We have more events instead of two added for 2020 competitions?

[Mike Hughey]

One of the things I like about the idea of adding curvy copter is to see what the scrambles wind up being like to use, and seeing if any developments might happen to help them. I think of megaminx. Of course, megaminx scrambles have never been random state. Originally the megaminx scrambles were long and complex enough that they were able to allow most or perhaps all possible scrambles to be generated, but those proved to be impractical to use in competition because they were so hard to apply. Now we use scrambles that can only reach a small fraction of possible states, because they are actually practical to apply and are "good enough". I wonder what might happen with curvy copter after a few weeks/months of use.

 

[ImmolatedMarmoset]

One of the things I like about the idea of adding curvy copter is to see what the scrambles wind up being like to use, and seeing if any developments might happen to help them. I think of megaminx. Of course, megaminx scrambles have never been random state. Originally the megaminx scrambles were long and complex enough that they were able to allow most or perhaps all possible scrambles to be generated, but those proved to be impractical to use in competition because they were so hard to apply. Now we use scrambles that can only reach a small fraction of possible states, because they are actually practical to apply and are "good enough". I wonder what might happen with curvy copter after a few weeks/months of use.

Do you know how many mega scrambles are theoretically in use?

 

[ichcubegerne]

I dont wanna be to selfish here, but I wanna mention that imo the weekly comp should be easily doable in a day. This would not make a difference on the events that are in the polls, but I am against eg. 4x4 FMC because of this. Also I would really like the relays to be reduced, but I guess I lost the poll^^

 

[One Wheel]

Do you know how many mega scrambles are theoretically in use?

My math may be wrong, but the way Megaminx scrambles are done there are 2 possibilities for every move, and 70 moves. Thus 2^70 or 1.18e21. 1.18 Septillion?

 

[ichcubegerne]

My math may be wrong, but the way Megaminx scrambles are done there are 2 possibilities for every move, and 70 moves. Thus 2^70 or 1.18e21. 1.18 Septillion?

Thats just an upper bound tho

 

[ImmolatedMarmoset]

My math may be wrong, but the way Megaminx scrambles are done there are 2 possibilities for every move, and 70 moves. Thus 2^70 or 1.18e21. 1.18 Septillion?

Thats just an upper bound tho

epic thanks

 

[xyzzy]

My math may be wrong, but the way Megaminx scrambles are done there are 2 possibilities for every move, and 70 moves. Thus 2^70 or 1.18e21. 1.18 Septillion?

The calculation is right, but the word to use is "sextillion". The short scale numbering system is weird and uses 10^(3n+3). The long scale numbering system, which is no longer in common use in English, uses 10^(6n) instead (e.g. "billion" would be 10^12 in long scale, as opposed to the very etymologically unnatural 10^9 in short scale).

Thats just an upper bound tho

Sure, but the number of scrambles that can be attained by multiple distinct move sequences (of length at most 70) is comparatively tiny, if there are any at all, so 2^70 would be a very good estimate.

 

[One Wheel]

Sure, but the number of scrambles that can be attained by multiple distinct move sequences (of length at most 70) is comparatively tiny, if there are any at all, so 2^70 would be a very good estimate.

I recall seeing a discussion about how the programming language limits the scrambles that can be generated more. I’ll see if I can find it.

 

[BenChristman1]

I wish all four could be added (even though I only know how to do Mirror Blocks), just so a lot of people get what they want, but I also understand how much work is put into the weekly comp, and how much more work it is to add new events. At some point, though, adding 2 events every year will get very tedious, won't it? And eventually (in the very faraway future), it will get to the point where you are just adding a bunch of weird non-WCA events, like 4x7x8 or something.

 

[Mike Hughey]

My hope is that we would never add things that were just silly to add, like 4x7x8 (LOL), because it couldn't make the minimum 10% yes vote cutoff. But if that isn't true, maybe I should require greater than 10% in the future?

Really, all 4 of the events being considered this year bring something significantly new; I think they are all somewhat reasonable choices.

 

[ProStar]

My hope is that we would never add things that were just silly to add, like 4x7x8 (LOL), because it couldn't make the minimum 10% yes vote cutoff. But if that isn't true, maybe I should require greater than 10% in the future?

Really, all 4 of the events being considered this year bring something significantly new; I think they are all somewhat reasonable choices.

Just don't add stupid events. In the end, you're the one running the weekly comp. If at some point we have multiple cuboids and you think that 4x7x8( ) brings nothing new to the comp and is useless, then don't add it. It's kinda like the WCA on a smaller scale, imo: you ask us what we want to be added, we vote on what we want, and you decide which of the popular events is added. If you think something is completely stupid, then don't add it.

(But don't get puffed up or anything, just cause you're in control doesn't mean you're allowed to get a big head lol)

 

[GAN 356 X]

Could we make it so a few people ca help Mike do the work, just to make adding 4 events easier? For example Mike might do every third week whilst other people do the other weeks. Or maybe even make him in charge of a few events, and others be in charge of other events

 

[ProStar]

Could we make it so a few people ca help Mike do the work, just to make adding 4 events easier? For example Mike might do every third week whilst other people do the other weeks. Or maybe even make him in charge of a few events, and others be in charge of other events

You mean like add more staff members that specifically work on the weekly comp?

 

[GAN 356 X]

You mean like add more staff members that specifically work on the weekly comp?

Basically. I don't know how well it would work (they would have to work well as a team). Its just an idea

 

[ProStar]

Basically. I don't know how well it would work (they would have to work well as a team). Its just an idea

Currently there are only 5 staff members, and as far as I know, only Mike is involved in the weekly comp.

Staff:

Brest - Super Reconstructor
cubizh - Super Moderator
mark49152 - Super Moderator
Mike Hughey - Super Moderator
pjk - Administrator

Also, side question, is pjk the owner of the site? He's the highest ranking listed staff member.

 

[GAN 356 X]

Also, side question, is pjk the owner of the site? He's the highest ranking listed staff member.

I wonder the same thing. I believe so.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Yes, pjk owns the site, and has owned it since it started, I believe in 2006.

 

[Sion]

Felt like this should be bumped due to the fact it could be considered