How fast should I get with the Beginner's Method before I move to more advanced methods?

[Jax]

Hey guys, just joined these forums and I've been playing around with the Rubik's cube for a week or so now. I consider myself pretty "smart" but maybe I'm not a natural cuber, my time is around 2 mins and I was wondering how fast I should get with the beginner's method before I move on to more advanced methods like F2L. I know it usually depends on the person and fyi I'm using my brother's 3x3 V-Cube

Thanks so much!!!

 

[Loiloiloi]

Whenever you decide this is something you're very interested in, you should start to transition to advanced CFOP. Beginners is usually just useful for people to get a hang of turning the cube, running algorithms, identifying color correlations, stuff like that. You really don't need to do beginner's method, when I learned CFOP I had completely forgotten how to do Beginner's (I never knew it that well until I learned it recently for teaching people).

 

[Jax]

Whenever you decide this is something you're very interested in, you should start to transition to advanced CFOP. Beginners is usually just useful for people to get a hang of turning the cube, running algorithms, identifying color correlations, stuff like that. You really don't need to do beginner's method, when I learned CFOP I had completely forgotten how to do Beginner's (I never knew it that well until I learned it recently for teaching people).

Yea sounds like I should give it a try then, thx! Lots of personal stuff I wanna get done this summer and cubing is one of them

 

[sqAree]

When I teach people how to cube I directly teach CFOP (with a 4LLL but encouraging them to learn algs fast after they're trapped). I don't see any use in the beginner's method whatsoever.

 

[Loiloiloi]

Yea sounds like I should give it a try then, thx! Lots of personal stuff I wanna get done this summer and cubing is one of them

Try to take a day just practicing F2L and trying to understand it, watch badmephisto's videos on it too. Once you do that the rest should come easily

 

[Loiloiloi]

When I teach people how to cube I directly teach CFOP (with a 4LLL but encouraging them to learn algs fast after they're trapped). I don't see any use in the beginner's method whatsoever.

How do you teach F2L to beginners?

 

[sqAree]

How do you teach F2L to beginners?

After understanding how to put the cross edges they already have a basic idea of how to bring a piece from location X to Y, they only don't know how to not break already build pieces. Hence I explain conjugates first and their relation to not break up the cross which already gives them the possibility to insert ready-made pairs using 3-move triggers. I tell them clearly that in the whole F2L-stage they will only be using sequences of moves of the schema (A <U> A') where A is one of the sides R, B, L, F. Then I make them aware that inserting a pair also pushes pieces out of the slot and let them see the effect of 3-move triggers on a solved cube to understand how the pieces move. With this knowledge they can easily understand how to bring up corners and edges from the slots to the U-layer and how to change the relative positions of U-layer pieces by hiding pieces. For the R U R' insert I will maybe let them try to solve it with the prior knowledge, and if they fail, show how to create the pair by moving the corner to the edge. Sure, they will move the pair out of the way to save it on the U-layer, and insert it after, which is not efficient, but I can show them the cancellations resulting in R U R' another day.

That's already enough because they can think ahead to not bring any corners with the white sticker facing to the top to the U-layer or just insert and take it out a different way, so I try to explain how to hide edges to solve it more efficiently only later.

So, concluding, I don't really do anything special and just use the normal way to explain F2L I guess, but I never had any problems with beginners not understanding so far.

 

[Lazarus Holl]

I dont at all recommend the beginners method, as it just teaches you how to recognize and execute algs. FreeFop or CFOP are my recommendations. Here are tutorials to both methods:

 

[obelisk477]

Hey guys, just joined these forums and I've been playing around with the Rubik's cube for a week or so now. I consider myself pretty "smart" but maybe I'm not a natural cuber, my time is around 2 mins and I was wondering how fast I should get with the beginner's method before I move on to more advanced methods like F2L. I know it usually depends on the person and fyi I'm using my brother's 3x3 V-Cube

Thanks so much!!!

sub 50

 

[Y2k1]

Or you could learn roux, there is a good beginners tutorial on that

 

[Yetiowin]

When I teach people how to cube I directly teach CFOP (with a 4LLL but encouraging them to learn algs fast after they're trapped). I don't see any use in the beginner's method whatsoever.

The beginner's methods are mostly for people who just want to solve it, but I also think they're good introductions as they are easy to learn and require much less effort to learn and do than speedsolving methods.

 

[shadowslice e]

Move onto other methods as soon as you decide you want to become a cuber. Make sure you look at a range of methods before you decide on one set method (I feel like that is one of the main reasons CFOP is so popular rather than the fact it is much better than a handful of other methods).

In response to some of the other posts on this thread, I never actually learned "proper" beginners and never did stiff like daisy cross (i didn't actually know what that was until about last month) and moved onto other stuff way before getting even passable at it. I also know that kirjava actually learned roux as a first method rather than beginners though he may be a bit weird.

 

[sqAree]

Move onto other methods as soon as you decide you want to become a cuber. Make sure you look at a range of methods before you decide on one set method (I feel like that is one of the main reasons CFOP is so popular rather than the fact it is much better than a handful of other methods).

Well, when I teach someone, I always give a brief overview about CFOP, Roux, ZZ and SSC first, tell them about the pros and cons and let them decide for one of those methods. ^^