Hawaiian Kociemba 3x3x3 TUTORIAL - Method of Michael H.

[adimare]

Still, it is very similar to what I thought you said and it is still from your perspective.

You keep saying that, doesn't make it true. I've presented objective arguments for why this method's only original idea (not solving a cross piece) is nonsensical.

SShiv3r has gotten faster times with this than with Roux, a very popular method.

Shiv3r has been cubing for 2 months and does 120 move+ solves using this method (can't imagine what his Roux solves are like).

When a novice cuber first learns F2L, his times increase. Would you use that fact as an argument to say that solving F2L by doing corners first and then edges can be more viable for some people than doing edge+corner pair insertions?

 

[Shiv3r]

that was a really bad solve and i didn't solve the 2x2x2 during inspection like I usually do.

 

[Shiv3r]

LADIES, LADIES!!!
calm down, you're both pretty!
I think that if we wanted a personal insults to other people's skill thread there would already be one.
So calm down and stop acting like youre always right!
if you can't handle that then go find some other thread to terrorize.

 

[theawesomecuber]

LADIES, LADIES!!!
calm down, you're both pretty!
I think that if we wanted a personal insults to other people's skill thread there would already be one.
So calm down and stop acting like youre always right!
if you can't handle that then go find some other thread to terrorize.

No one ever insulted your skill, adimare was just pointing out that at your skill level, having a faster time on a different method doesn't necessarily mean it's a better method.

The reason you are slower at Roux than this method is not because this method is better than Roux. It's because Roux is simply a harder method. It's analogous to learning F2L. The reason why a person learning F2L has slower times is because F2L is harder than a LBL approach. However, the important thing is how fast the method can be taken, not how fast you are at it immediately. That's why even thought F2L is undoubtedly faster than LBL, beginners are faster at the latter.

The only person insulting anyone is you insulting adimare, by saying that he is terrorizing this thread. Please never do that again.

 

[wir3sandfir3s]

LADIES, LADIES!!!
calm down, you're both pretty!
I think that if we wanted a personal insults to other people's skill thread there would already be one.
So calm down and stop acting like youre always right!
if you can't handle that then go find some other thread to terrorize.

I don't see exactly what you mean by terrorization, I just see a normal, friendly argument. And I don't see the insulting of one's skill anywhere either... Neither of us are acting like we are right, either.

 

[Shiv3r]

I just hate when people think that I'm a noob because my times aren't as low as theirs. remember, Lars Petrus himself hasn't broken 20 seconds.

 

[adimare]

Sorry if you felt insulted. You're fast for someone that's only been cubing for 2 months, probably way faster than I was at that time. My point was that you haven't been using any method long enough for us to consider the results you get with each one as evidence for how good or bad a method is.

 

[Shiv3r]

okay.

 

[Shiv3r]

Hey guys here's a crappy Ao5(I wasn't warmed up till the last 2 solves). but here it is:

times:
1. 34.72
2. 35.77
3. 38.18
4. 32.65
5. 31.39

Ao5: 34.38

 

[crafto22]

Lol you seem to have this thought in your head that you absolutely have to not solve an edge piece for this method to work...
Dozens to hundreds? For pure HK, but there is a 14 alg 2LLL for one variant. Again,more HK isn't practical and I'm aware. That's all you are talking about so far.
The Petrus variant is the best so far. evidence is Alex Maass's video of him Speedsolving with the method And getting times faster than he usually gets with a good average for him, better than his main method, only a few minutes after learning the method.

I am not exactly sure where your argument is, what you have against the method, and why. You are just repeating yourself.

The Petrus variant is literally just Petrus but you don't insert the RD edge, which isn't move-efficient or good for lookahead. Sure it can give you 20 second times, but what could regular Petrus get you? Certainly better. The Petrus variant is literally just a worse Petrus (worse lookahead, move-efficiency, more algs)

 

[Shiv3r]

The Petrus variant is literally just Petrus but you don't insert the RD edge, which isn't move-efficient or good for lookahead. Sure it can give you 20 second times, but what could regular Petrus get you? Certainly better. The Petrus variant is literally just a worse Petrus (worse lookahead, move-efficiency, more algs)

not as much efficiency, but I think it can be faitrly fast(petrus always slows me after the 2x2x3 block
)

 

[wir3sandfir3s]

The Petrus variant is literally just Petrus but you don't insert the RD edge, which isn't move-efficient or good for lookahead. Sure it can give you 20 second times, but what could regular Petrus get you? Certainly better. The Petrus variant is literally just a worse Petrus (worse lookahead, move-efficiency, more algs)

EO is skipped.

 

[Shiv3r]

EO is skipped.

I agree its faster

 

[adimare]

EO is skipped.

It's not. Both Alex and Shiv3r still do EO by performing a y turn and doing Roux-style EO.

 

[Shiv3r]

It's not. Both Alex and Shiv3r still do EO by performing a y turn and doing Roux-style EO.

In my case, I dont regrip. The missing edge is always in front during F2L, so I have no regrips after the begining.

I also try to manipulate the EO so it solves the final edge at the same time, so I am only left with EPLL cases

 

[wir3sandfir3s]

It's not. Both Alex and Shiv3r still do EO by performing a y turn and doing Roux-style EO.

Actually, you are supposed to D and move for it, so don't blame me on the rotation.

 

[adimare]

Either way, the point is that you're not skipping EO. You're doing a restricted version of Roux-EO where you have to maintain the DB piece solved.

 

[Shiv3r]

Either way, the point is that you're not skipping EO. You're doing a restricted version of Roux-EO where you have to maintain the DB piece solved.

thats not too hard, instead of being able to continually do M' moves, you alternate between M' and M. Its pretty decent, really. faster than 2LOLL, for sure.

 

[Teoidus]

Seems like you'd be better off learning Pikashit at this rate--Petrus-like block building, then Roux-like finish.

 

[Vexatious]

Argh bad words!! Also in Pika, the setup moves before roux style is really confusing, I still don't get it