When can you consider yourself sub-x?

[LostGent]

I'm pretty sure there was a thread on this at one point but I couldn't find it in the search.

What makes you sub-x? You can see my PBs in my signature. Should I consider myself sub-14 (I don't think so...) or perhaps sub-16 (more likely though I'd understand people who would disagree).

In essence which average should I take as a best measure?

Thanks in advance for your comments and ideas

 

[penguinz7]

I'm pretty sure there was a thread on this at one point but I couldn't find it in the search.

What makes you sub-x? You can see my PBs in my signature. Should I consider myself sub-14 (I don't think so...) or perhaps sub-16 (more likely though I'd understand people who would disagree).

In essence which average should I take as a best measure?

Thanks in advance for your comments and ideas

I usually wait until I have 2-3 Sub-x Ao100's in a row.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

For 3x3, its ao 1000. Period.

 

[TDM]

I use my global average: what I think I'd average if I were to do a normal session. Unless an Ao100 is something you do rarely, I don't think it's sensible to use a PB Ao100 since they can be lucky, or you could just be having a good day; however, if you do one Ao100 every few months, and there's very little chance of getting a better-than-average average, then that should be fine.

However I think using your global average isn't hard and is, in my opinion, a good definition.

 

[youSurname]

I do Ao100s every ... 6 months. You can consider yourself sub X, when you can tell someone random I can solve the cube in X, and be confident enough to do it in that time. I average 17 at home, but I tell people I am sub 20.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

I don't do ao100s. 1000 is wayyyy too many. When I get a sub-x average of 50, usually I just use that, because honestly I can't get more than 25 or so good solves in a row.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

I don't do ao100s. 1000 is wayyyy too many. When I get a sub-x average of 50, usually I just use that, because honestly I can't get more than 25 or so good solves in a row.

same, but by that logic I'm almost sub 8. (which I definitely am not)

ao100s dont take that long. For me its about 45 minutes.

 

[joshsailscga]

I don't do ao100s. 1000 is wayyyy too many. When I get a sub-x average of 50, usually I just use that, because honestly I can't get more than 25 or so good solves in a row.

Use something like qqtimer.net or prismatimer that saves your times so you can accumulate them instead of doing all in one sitting.

 

[Ordway Persyn]

Ao 1000 is what is use, meaning my average is ~16.8

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

My reasoning:
-ao100s in one sitting can easily wear out your fingers. Especially if you aren't super fast and it takes longer.
-I don't like doing "averages" when they are spread out over several days. I don't know why exactly, it just doesn't appeal to me.
-When I'm warmed up and not failing, I can get low 12 and sub 12 averages of 5 pretty easily. When I do more solves (I do 50) then after anywhere from 12 to 30 solves (usually closer to 25) I have a period of getting pretty sucky times. Look at this (my PB ao50):
1. 10.12 B2 F2 U' F2 U' L2 D2 L2 F2 U F2 R F L' D L U R2 B U R2
2. 10.98 F2 D' B2 U F2 D F2 D2 F2 D L2 B' F2 R' U L2 U2 B' L R F' //Nice start, with two 10s.
3. 12.47 B2 R2 U2 R2 B' L2 B2 F' D2 L2 B' R' F' D B' L F2 L B R'
4. 13.82 L2 F2 U' B2 F2 U' L2 D B2 F2 L' B' D2 L D U F2 D' R'
5. 11.85 R U B2 D F' D F' L D2 R F2 U2 F2 L2 D2 F2 R F2 D //First ao5 is 11.77, which is almost a second faster than this ao50. This is partly because it was a good average, but also partly because I usually goof up long averages.
6. 13.55 L' D2 F2 U F2 R2 U R2 U' L2 R2 D R' B' L' U' R B L2 B2 L'
7. 11.51 L2 D' L2 U' R2 F2 R2 D' B2 D R2 B L B D R' F D' L' R F2
8. 13.44 D2 L2 D2 L2 B2 U2 B2 R B2 U F L' B L U L2 B2 F2
9. 9.94 B2 R2 B2 D2 L2 D2 L2 F2 U R2 D F D2 F' U L' R' F' R2 D' B2 //The sub-10 is real...
10. 12.00 L' R2 D' L2 R2 B2 D F2 D' F2 R2 U F' U B R' B D L B2 D
11. 11.66 L D L2 U D2 R' F B L' D' B R2 B2 R2 L2 B' R2 F2 U2 D2 R2
12. 14.30 U2 R B2 L' B2 L2 U2 R2 U2 R B' L2 U B' L' R' B R' //First ao12 is 12.14, which is also pretty good but not as far below my expected average as it appears.
13. 14.58 D' F2 U2 B2 U F2 U2 R2 U L2 B2 F R2 U' B2 U' L' F D2 L' R'
14. 12.54 U D L F B' D' L' F' D2 F2 D2 B2 L' D2 R2 U2 L' F2 R2 U'
15. 13.04 L U2 D L2 B' R' F2 L2 U2 L D2 L F2 L2 D'
16. 12.85 D' L2 U' L2 B2 D L2 U R2 D2 U' L' R' B U L D' U2 R' F
17. 12.73 F2 U' D' F' D' F L U L2 B' L2 U2 F' U2 L2 B' U2 F' U2
18. 11.77 F2 U2 L' D2 F2 L' D2 F2 L2 R2 F2 U F2 D' L' F U2 R F D' F'
19. 12.33 U B2 D2 F2 R F2 U2 R2 B2 R' D2 F2 U L R' F R' U B' U R2
20. 12.21 U2 B2 R' F2 D2 R F2 L D2 L2 R B U' L2 R U2 B' L' U2 B
21. 12.83 U2 F2 U' R2 F2 L2 D F2 L2 D' U' L U L R' U2 R2 B' F2 D' F2
22. 13.85 D2 L2 U L2 D' R2 D' F2 U2 F2 U' R' B' F' U' F L D2 B2 R B
23. 12.62 D2 B' R D2 R B2 D F2 R' F' L2 D B2 U L2 U' L2 D' F2 D B2
24. 12.66 F U B D F2 R' U' F D2 R2 L D2 R F2 R B2 L2 B2 D //12.77 ao12.
25. 15.73 L2 U2 R2 U2 R2 F2 D L U B D F' U' R' B L2 B'
26. 14.10 R' F L U' F L B2 R' B' R2 B2 U B2 R2 B2 L2 D2 F2 D L2
27. 17.14+ B' R B2 F2 L U2 L U2 B2 L' F2 L' F' U L' R' F D' B' L2 D2
28. 14.75 L2 D2 R2 F D2 R2 F D2 U2 F' D' B' U2 B F' R' U F' D2
29. 13.94 R2 U2 B2 U' L2 U F2 L2 B2 L2 B D2 L F L2 U B2 F R2 U //14.86 ao5. Very fail. Much bad.
30. 13.09 U L2 U' F2 D2 B2 F2 R2 F2 D F2 R' U' B' F' L F D' L' D' F
31. 15.78 F L2 B' R2 D2 B' D2 R2 D2 F2 D B' D2 R2 B' D2 F R D2
32. 10.99 F2 D2 L2 F2 U B2 U2 R2 F2 D' R2 L D F' L2 R' U' F2 U B' L
33. 10.40 F' L2 R2 U' F2 R2 D F2 U' R2 F2 D2 L' U2 F' L2 R' F2 U L D
34. 12.39 B' U2 L' F' U L' F D2 R' F2 L2 B2 U R2 U' B2 R2 D' L2 D2
35. 12.92 F2 D L' B R2 F U D2 L U L2 F2 D L2 D' B2 R2 U2 L2 U'
36. 11.46 B R F' L' B' R' U' F2 U2 R2 U' R2 U2 L2 B2 L2 U R //And that is up to a 13.52 ao12. The inconsistency is real.
37. 12.42 B' U2 R' F2 R2 U F R D' B' F2 U2 F2 U2 D2 R D2 R2 F2 L B2
38. 12.83 B D' L2 B' L2 F' L U F2 R' B2 L2 B2 D2 F2 R' B2 R2 F'
39. 12.49 L2 D2 F L2 B L D F' R U2 F L2 F' U2 F U2 D2 F' B' L2
40. 11.05 L2 F2 D2 F' D2 U2 F2 D2 F' D2 F2 L B' L U' R2 B2 R' D2 L
41. 12.44 L D B L' F' R D' F U' B2 U R2 U2 L2 U2 L2 D' B2 L2
42. 10.98 U F2 R U R' D F' D F2 B2 R F2 D2 F2 R' U2 L' U2 R B
43. 13.76 R2 B L2 D' F2 B' U' B' R' F' R2 U2 R' D2 R L' D2 L' B2 L' F2
44. 13.61 L2 R2 F2 L2 D' R2 U2 F2 D L F2 L2 U B' F' R' D' U' F'
45. 13.44 R2 B2 R2 D2 F' L2 R2 B U2 F R2 L' D' F L' F D2 L' U' B2 R2
46. 11.66 R2 B2 D F2 U R2 D' L2 B2 D' U2 F' R' D' L2 F' L D' R U' R2
47. 13.02 L2 R2 B' D2 L2 F2 L2 R2 D2 B R' F L' U F' L' F2 L2 R' F2
48. 14.52 L2 B2 L2 F' L2 B R2 B L2 U2 F U F R' F' D U R' F L2 F
49. 12.91 L2 R2 U' B2 U B2 L2 R2 D' R2 U' L' U F2 L2 D2 L' R2 F' U' R2
50. 12.38 B' L2 U' L2 F2 L' B U L' B2 R' F2 R' F2 R U2 B2 L' B' //I end the session around average. It was a 12.74 ao50. Also note that this happened 6 weeks ago (9/1), and I still can't beat it because I never have time to cube anymore. Tomorrow is a half day at school so maybe I'll try then.

 

[xchippy]

When you get frustrated when you get x+1 averages.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

When you DONT get x+1 averages.

ftfy.

 

[obelisk477]

After you are sub-19 or so, I would say that you are sub-x once you have a (x-1).70 average of 100

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

ftfy.

I got a 15 average so I'm not sub-15. Let's say Feliks DNFs a solve and messes up two more (badly). He gets an average of
7.18 (DNF) 12.01+ 10.92 (6.10) = 10.04
Feliks isn't sub-10.
It shouldn't be "you don't get sup-x" it should be "you get sub-x significantly more than you get sup-x".

After you are sub-19 or so, I would say that you are sub-x once you have a x-0.30 average of 100

mtfy (mathed that for you)
Once you get faster, this changes. I say sub 13 (about where I'm at) is a 12.8 average.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

I got a 15 average so I'm not sub-15. Let's say Feliks DNFs a solve and messes up two more (badly). He gets an average of
7.18 (DNF) 12.01+ 10.92 (6.10) = 10.04
Feliks isn't sub-10.
It shouldn't be "you don't get sup-x" it should be "you get sub-x significantly more than you get sup-x".

by "averages" I interpretted 12 or 50.

either way, I dont think feliks has had a sup 10 average in years.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

by "averages" I interpretted 12 or 50.

either way, I dont think feliks has had a sup 10 average in years.

Same idea, you can get unlucky. I get sup 13 averages of 12 or 50 sometimes. Here is how to decide what your average is:
Ask yourself "What would I expect if I did a solve?"
Me? 12.6ish

he probably hasn't, but you get the point

 

[Xtremecubing]

I don't do large averages (1000), but occasionally do 100's and those are always from 11-11.8 and that's is what I say I average currently. Averages of 1000 would take way too long for me anyway, and I'm not someone who puts a lot of time into practicing anyway, so I just base my averages off of the occasional averages of 100 that I do.

 

[TMarshall]

My reasoning:
-When I'm warmed up and not failing, I can get low 12 and sub 12 averages of 5 pretty easily. When I do more solves (I do 50) then after anywhere from 12 to 30 solves (usually closer to 25) I have a period of getting pretty sucky times.[/B]

This seems really stupid to me, because by that logic, I'm sub 10, which is laughable to me (I average 10.5-ish)
Also, those bad solves are part of your average, because everyone gets good and bad solves. Personally, about 6 months ago, I fell into the bad habit of deleting my bad times because I was frustrated with them, but then my "averages" didn't reflect my global average because the times were just my good times. This seems almost exactly like this.

 

[puzzl3add1ct]

This seems really stupid to me, because by that logic, I'm sub 10, which is laughable to me (I average 10.5-ish)
Also, those bad solves are part of your average, because everyone gets good and bad solves. Personally, about 6 months ago, I fell into the bad habit of deleting my bad times because I was frustrated with them, but then my "averages" didn't reflect my global average because the times were just my good times. This seems almost exactly like this.

Now this is my problem.

 

[nvpendsey]

For me sub-x would be the mode of times of 50+ solves (rounded to 0.5 seconds).