Logiqx
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I've put down 25/20/15/12/10 from the perspective of sub-x global average
What would you consider decent, fast, world class, etc. on 3x3?
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So according to all of you, I'm not even decent? ;-;
cmhardw
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TL;DR How people perceive your speed depends on their personal skill level.
The issue was brought up earlier in the thread that some people are answering from the viewpoint of the absolute best, world class cubers. Some people are answering from the viewpoint of all cubers, or even the general public including non-cubers.
Your competition pb average is nearly sub-30, which leads me to believe that you are likely sub-30 at home.
From the viewpoint of the absolute best, world class cubers you are still on your path to becoming what they would consider decent.
From the viewpoint of cubers in general, you will have a variety of ranks, anywhere from decent to sort of fast or even fast depending on how different people view sub-30.
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Yeah sub 30 is decent, you more than likely know all the basics of your speed solving method at that speed.
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cmhardw
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Competition personal bests are always greater than or equal to overall personal bests
The odds were in favor of my guess.Congrats on your convincingly sub-30 competition pb! Nicely done!
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I think it depends. My personal definition is not my be-all end-all definition. If someone says that sub20 is decent, I'd agree with them. If someone said sub30 was decent, I'd also agree with them.
For the most part, I can understand why people think differently on this issue. Decent is also a vague word, and it can be used to encompass a huge number of cubers.
To all others I may have offended earlier, including Mr. Hardwick, sorry. I didn't really think about this thoroughly, and after having a discussion with someone about it, think a little differently on the issue.
EDIT: also gj on the avg at Music City
cmhardw
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No worries! I was really blown away by the graph of the data that I am a major outlier in my opinion, so much so that my result may be one of the ones ignored in order to discover the trend in the overwhelming majority of the data (?). That was really eye-opening for me.
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15/12/9/8/7
That's my view so far. To me someone doesn't really seem "decent" (especially not fast/really fast) if they can't even make a second round/final round at comps.
When I think world class I think the best of the best. I'm thinking like the top 10 fastest people in that event.
This isn't to say that I think anyone slower than 15 "sucks" I just wouldn't consider it very competitive.
That's my view so far. To me someone doesn't really seem "decent" (especially not fast/really fast) if they can't even make a second round/final round at comps.
When I think world class I think the best of the best. I'm thinking like the top 10 fastest people in that event.
This isn't to say that I think anyone slower than 15 "sucks" I just wouldn't consider it very competitive.
mark49152
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Ninja Storm is right, the problem is the word. "Fast" is somewhat subjective but "decent" doesn't even attempt to say anything about time/speed and is totally subjective. To some people it means "fast enough to get past the first round", to others it means "done enough practice to be competent".
Anyway, who actually cares whether 21.34 falls within the consensus of "decent" or not? Even the guy who averages 21.34 shouldn't care. Sorry, but this whole thread is pointless.
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well imo it isn't completely pointless... it gets a general idea of what the community thinks that these words mean.
With 160 results, it is pretty much not moving from 24/17/12/10/8 as median. 26.03/17.83/12.91/9.81/7.84 for mean.
Edit: These words being subjective is what makes this interesting.
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mark49152
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Yes you're right, the thread does have a point. What I meant was the point has no value. We now know that on average the community think that once you pass 24 seconds average you can call yourself a "decent" speedcuber. Great! Maybe that is interesting to some people, I guess.
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So according to the data, I'm sorta fast. Thats quite motivating.
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EvilGnome6
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According to the data I'm indecent.
CubeWizard23
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due to the discussion of ability vs practice i am bumping this thread 
JustinTimeCuber
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And I still hold the opinion that people were being way too harsh after 3+ months.
newtonbase
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Although you will never reach a definite conclusion I think the question is interesting enough to be valid. I would love to get regular 20s solves but most people here would think that's pretty slow. However I've just impressed people at a party with a dreadful 44s solve. My average is around 35s which makes me faster than anyone I know outside competitions. It's all about perspective but ultimately it doesn't really matter what anyone other than yourself thinks.
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I completely agree. You'll notice that I created this thread, and I did so wondering what the speedsolving community thought about the topic. I got a wide variety of answers, but after a few hundred responses I got some definite trends.
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I'm pretty sure perceived harshness correlates directly with what you average.
There's no real answer for this, why are we still trying? A non cuber will say anything below minute is impressive, a world class cuber will likely say sub 8 or 9. It's all a matter of perspective.
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