ZZ Cubers

Zeroknight said:
ZBF2L w/ Block building -minus one CE pair- Average of 20? moves (not sure how many algs there are)
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I do not think you fully get ZBF2L. ZBF2L refers to orienting the LL edges while inserting the last corner edge pair. First of all, all your edges are already oriented after EOLine. In addition, ZBF2L does not care how the other slots are filled in, only the last slot. Unless you are implying something else with "ZBF2L w/ Block building." That doesn't fully make sense. Perhaps you mean ZZF2L? Is that a popular acronym?

http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/3x3x3_Speedcubing_Methods
 
Yes. Thank you. I was confusing my methods. I'll change that. and btw, do you think the system I use will be worth it?
 
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btw, are there any good sites that teach block building. I haven't fully grasped how to do it yet?
 
Zeroknight said:
Okay This is the method I'm going to use, tell me if its worth it:

EOLine - Average of 7 moves (Intuitive, but hoping for some algs)

ZZF2L w/ Block building -minus one CE pair- Average of 20? moves (not sure how many algs there are)

3-4 moves to insert the last edge. (This is to set up for MGLS)

MGLS- Average of 14? moves, and since edges are always already oriented, I only need 75 algs.

Full PLL- I'll take that this is self explanatory.

Times (very rough guesstimates.):

EOLine: 6 seconds
3 ZZF2L pairs: 11 seconds
Permuting the last edge: 1.5 seconds
MGLS: 3 seconds
PLL: 2.5 seconds
Hopeful final time: 24 seconds

Is it worth it? Anything I messed up, or is missing?

Thanks in advance.
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That's good - eventually you would move to phasing the last slot and doing ZZLL, but that's only if you decide to continue it above your previous method.
 
no...
phasing is used to drop the no. of algs if you were using ZBLL, which you arent.

MGLS, or more accurately in your case CLS, isn't going to benefit from phasing or corner control. i still think its good (MGLS that is), but it really has nothing to do with phasing.
 
dang... Thanks for being so patient with me guys. Just a few more questions...


Whats the best way to ZZF2L and are there any links besides the one on the first page? (ZZLL and the algs as well)

And what type of ZZ do you guys run?

EDIT: run should be use sorry. Mixing my jargon.
 
ZZF2l is really one of those things that requires quite a bit of thought and practice. if you wanted to do it simply, think of it as 'x-f2l' perhaps - you're joining up c/e pairs and then joining them to a cross edge and then putting it all in. with normal fridrich f2l, you have to waste moves putting the cross edges in first.
that PDF that you see everywhere is pretty much the only resource for english speaking ZZ users. i think zborowski's site has some stuff on it, but unless you use a translator (that might not be accurate) you wont be able to read it.
you'll be able to find MGLS on lucas garrons site, but i dont know if there are any/many example ZZf2l solves around.
 
When I use ZZF2L, I do EOLine (dur) and I basically build it by making a corner-edge pair (any pair without yellow), matchining it with the centre and the other edge piece and slotting it in, I often use the slotting stage to set up an easy Fridrich style insertion. Same on the other side, sometimes I CLS if I know the alg. Then OLL/PLL. I don't use it for speedcubing, that can wait till after French/UK open.
 
This thread is annoying.
It makes me want to start practicing ZZ again every time I see it. Maybe I'll learn ZZLL this summer and just work on ZZF2L now...
Edit: My first ZZ solves in months and months. averaged 35 using VH/OLL+PLL
 
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learning algs is fun!
honestly, what could match the joy of doing a speedsolve and getting an alg that you just learnt? :)
saying that, im way lazy when it comes to learning algs, i still have like 3 OLLs to learn :p
but if you learn ELS once you've finished CLS (so that you can use it in a fridrich solve) you'll be one of the very few people in the world to know full MGLS :)
 
Yeah, except for the fact that it's not full cause using EOLine,I skip the need for Edge Orientation... :'( do you think they'll still count me in the list?

btw when I just learnt R perm, I never got, until after I had given up on looking for it. :'(

lol, well thanks for the support

EDIT: Reread your post, but I might not go back to Fridrich *double sob*
 
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Go to fmc.mustcube.net and watch replays of Zbigniew Zborowski's solves.

http://fmc.mustcube.net/results.php

Go through the solves for several weeks and for different categories.


Zeroknight,
your goal of 24seconds is very easy to accomplish even with LBL. Make sure you understand what's going on before you get yourself into a method you don't understand.
ELS is intuitive, so is ZZF2L, you don't just mindlessly learn algs for everything. I can usually now memorize an 15-move alg in less than 2 minutes because I can understand what's going on. The tough part is the pause for recognition of the case. Don't learn algs yet. Actually practice EO line to see if you like it first.
 
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Thanks a lot man. :)

EDIT in response to your edit: Yeah, the best part about this is that I do actually understand what's going on (thanks to limited blindfold experiences), but anyway I do like EOLine.

Thanks so much all you guys :)
 
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