# ZZ Cubers

#### Phlippieskezer

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I hate to say this, but I'm not sure if anything can give you any advice period. Practically nobody uses ZZ, and some of the algs are up to 40 moves long, from what it says on the wiki page.
lol, you so wrong. The first cuber I ever met uses ZZ, as does another 3 that I know. Sure, the majority of cubers use CFOP, but that doesn't mean nobody uses ZZ. From what I gather, it's the 4th most popular method in the world (behind CFOP, Petrus, and Roux[?]). Plus, I'm sure if nobody uses it, then this thread wouldn't have 18 pages.
And if you're executing algorithms 40 moves long, you're doing it wrong. The only algorithms I use in ZZ are (usually) COLL and EPLL (otherwise, OCLL/PLL). None of my algorithms are even nearly 40 moves long. I average ~18 with ZZ (but it's not my main).

PS: Back on topic: Why would you make an eocross? I thought it's better to just blockbuild...

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#### Hershey

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Practically nobody uses ZZ, and some of the algs are up to 40 moves long
That is supposed to be the movecount of an entire solve, not one algorithm...

#### Athefre

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That is supposed to be the movecount of an entire solve, not one algorithm...
Maybe for fewest moves, but I would love to learn from the human that averages 40 moves with ZZ in a speedsolve.

#### nitay6669

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I hate to say this, but I'm not sure if anything can give you any advice period. Practically nobody uses ZZ, and some of the algs are up to 40 moves long, from what it says on the wiki page.
am i the only one who saw the 2 year bump?

and lots of ppl use ZZ

u currently use it as my main and my avg is 17~
but im learning kinda ZZD so 20+...

you should defiantly check a small kitten YOUTUBE channel, he average 11 or something and 14-15 with OH
though im not sure my numbers are correct

#### DRAGON_RYU

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I can solve with ZZ, but not my main, and I'm not so good at eo.
Also, my brain is used to CFOP so I always EOcross.

#### Moops

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I've been solving with ZZ for about a month now but still finding trouble with my EOline. Thinking of making a 'training cube' to help with this.

The idea is to take off all the corner sticers on a cube so there's only edges then use that cube JUST for EOline practice.

I'm not sure if this will help or not. Anything to help buff my recognition would alongside lots of solves BLD would be useful.

#### oll+phase+sync

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EO cross is already equivalent to X cross. EO X cross is probably out of the question.
I don't get the meaning -

- do you mean Xcross needs as much moves as EO-Cross

or

- the right way to do EOCross is to do EO X Cross.

#### Laura O

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I'm not sure if this will help or not. Anything to help buff my recognition would alongside lots of solves BLD would be useful.
It helped me a lot to force myself to plan the complete EOline in every single solve, no matter if it takes 10 seconds or 1 minute.
After about 2 weeks doing this my inspection time for EOline was ~15 seconds.

#### Moops

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It helped me a lot to force myself to plan the complete EOline in every single solve, no matter if it takes 10 seconds or 1 minute.
After about 2 weeks doing this my inspection time for EOline was ~15 seconds.
Push through the discomfort! Thanks dude, I'll take it on.

#### Rubiksboy1

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I just tried ZZ for the first time.
It feels really smooth and I love the F2L. I am going to switch from Fridrich after having learned OCLL and PLL, so I could use those for the last layer, but are there better ways? That is, should I take the time to learn COLL?

#### Petro Leum

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try and learn a few easy cases - if you feel comfortabel with the recognition, learn the full set - if not, stick with ocll/pll.

#### aznanimedude

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COLL is not too bad, good stepping stone to ZZLL or even ZBLL if you go that far, since it just adds a few more stickers to check. But it couldn't hurt, I know uvafan doesn't really use COLL, he uses OCLL and is easily sub 20 almost sub 15 (i think?) So its not that necessary

#### speed

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where can i find detailed information of the number of zz users ? and their official and unofficial records ?
it might that i want to start cubing again so i wanna see their solves and talk to them (on forum )

#### DNFphobia

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where can i find detailed information of the number of zz users ? and their official and unofficial records ?
it might that i want to start cubing again so i wanna see their solves and talk to them (on forum )
I'm using ZZ as my main, but I'm really slow at it. I average about 28.7 seconds with 4 look last layer and occasional PLL.

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#### QPowerPrime

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ZZ Megaminx

How can i modify ZZ to work with a megaminx because it makes Super F2L much easier to work with. I only need the EO part so if anyone has any ideas (I haven't had any because there are no (directly) opposite faces)

#### Calode

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You don't really. ZZ is meant for cubic puzzles which have a F/B and R/L face. There's also not really any awkward moves the can be taken care of by doing eo at the beginning.

#### QPowerPrime

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Gutted

Edit: or i could just use Petrus

Imagine if a ZZ solver got a Superflip scramble in a competition and still did EOline. Stupid

You don't really. ZZ is meant for cubic puzzles which have a F/B and R/L face. There's also not really any awkward moves the can be taken care of by doing eo at the beginning.
Does that mean i can use EO to solve a square 1? If so woohoo!

Edit: I know i probably can't as edge and corners are interchangeable.

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#### Calode

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Does that mean i can use EO to solve a square 1? If so woohoo!

Edit: I know i probably can't as edge and corners are interchangeable.
I guess I was too general. I myself have not played with a square one. But simply no, you can't use ZZ on a megaminx because there are no "awkward" moves.

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