Which 2x2 methods can get sub-4?

[Zarxrax]

I'm currently learning ortega method, and thinking of probably learning guimond after that. Has anyone ever set a sub-4 record with either of these methods? If not, which methods are used?

 

[byu]

Ortega is definitely sub-4able with a lot of practice. I don't know about Guimond or other methods. LBL probably is not, but I guess it's POSSIBLE.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

LBL probably is not

Tell that to Sam Boyles

 

[byu]

3.81 official average of 5. I'm guessing, based on your post, that he uses LBL?

 

[ShadenSmith]

Phil Thomas uses Guimond.

 

[Kian]

LBL probably is not

Tell that to Sam Boyles

wait, does sam not use cll? which, yeah, would technically be lbl, but does he actually orient and permute the 2nd layer separately?

i always just assumed he used cll.

 

[Hadley4000]

LBL probably is not

Tell that to Sam Boyles

wait, does sam not use cll? which, yeah, would technically be lbl, but does he actually orient and permute the 2nd layer separately?

i always just assumed he used cll.

CLL is what Rowe uses.

 

[Kian]

LBL probably is not

Tell that to Sam Boyles

wait, does sam not use cll? which, yeah, would technically be lbl, but does he actually orient and permute the 2nd layer separately?

i always just assumed he used cll.

CLL is what Rowe uses.

yeah, that i knew. i was wondering about sam.

 

[DavidWoner]

LBL probably is not

Tell that to Sam Boyles

wait, does sam not use cll? which, yeah, would technically be lbl, but does he actually orient and permute the 2nd layer separately?

i always just assumed he used cll.

CLL is what Rowe uses.

yeah, that i knew. i was wondering about sam.

Sam just turns really fast and gets lucky sometimes.

Ortega can be low-3 if you know what you are doing. Both Phil and Alex Bailey have gotten sub-3 with Guimond. Rowe, Lukasz, Erik, and Edouard all use CLL, and I know Ville and Rowe know a good chunk of EG as well. Tim Sun uses SS, and had the UWR for quite a while (although he will never admit it.) Nobody uses OFOTA but I think it has potential as well.

 

[ErikJ]

sams NAR had niklas LLs for a few solves.

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

i use 2-step LBL and I've averaged sub-4 of 10/12 a few times, I'm out of practice though, 2x2x2 stopped being fun after a while.

 

[Zava]

the first WR average of Edouard was done with lbl, as far as I know

 

[TMOY]

CLL is nothing else than an advanced LBL method...

 

[Erik]

A better question: which 2x2 methods can NOT get sub-4?
I did loads of sub-4 solves with all of the methods I use:
Guimond,
LBL,
Layer + CLL
Weird method number 1
Weird method number 2
Ortega
EG

 

[ccchips296]

>_> whats weird method 1 and 2?

 

[Zarxrax]

Wow so I guess a lot of methods have some potential then.
I was wondering because on this page ( http://erikku.er.funpic.org/rubik/Tutorials.html ) it says you can only get around 5 seconds with many of the methods, so I was wondering if that was the fastest times that had been achieved with them.

 

[Erik]

that page hasnt been updated in like 20 years...