# Possible of getting sub-3.5 average for 2x2 using ORTEGA Method?

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#### CubeX

##### Guest
Hey guys,

I was just wondering if it is possibly to average sub-3.5 (ORTEGA Method), as i currently average 3.92 seconds using that method?

Average of 5: 3.92
1. (5.82) U2 F' U F' U' R F2 U R' (NL
2. (2.47) U' R' U2 R U' (L)
3. 3.13 F' U2 F U' F' U F R' U' (L)
4. 3.55 F' U' R2 F2 U' R' F2 R2 U' (L)
5. 5.09 U F2 R' F U F R' U R U' (NL)

Well, not really (really lucky scrambles)

Average of 12: 4.95
1. 5.80 U F2 U' R2 U' R U2 F' U2 (NL)
2. 4.49 R2 U2 R' F2 U R' U' R (NL)
3. 5.96 R' U' R U' F R2 U F' U2 (NL)
4. 4.42 F U R' U2 F U' F2 U' R' (NL)
5. 4.22 F U F U2 F U' R' U2 F (NL)
6. 6.50 F2 U R' F U' F2 R2 (NL)
7. 4.32 U R U2 R2 F R' F' R2 U2 (NL)
8. (DNF) R2 F' U' R2 F R' U' F' (NL)
9. 3.88 U' F' R F2 U' F2 U' R (NL)
10. (3.20) F' U' R2 F U2 F2 R U' (L)
11. 5.03 R2 F2 U F' R2 U2 R' F2 U' (NL)
12. 4.88 F2 U' R' U2 R U F2 U F R (NL)

#### Shortey

I think Rowan got sub3 with Ortega? Correct me if I'm wrong.

#### Owen

##### Member
Yes, Rowan, I think Rowe did too.

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#### CubeX

##### Guest
I think sub-3 is possible, because i just thought of one factor of my crap averages:
TOO much lock-ups.

I could've easily gotten sub-3.5 averages, if i were to use a better cube than a Lan-Lan... well i didn't lubricate it, so that might be another factor...

#### Escher

##### Babby
I think Rowan got sub3 with Ortega? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yup, high 2 avg of 12, and I think my PB avg100 was about 3.4. They were both with keyboard though, so it doesn't really count.

Pretty much any 2x2 method that allows solutions of at least 15-17 moves on average can be sub 3ed.

#### Rpotts

##### Member
They were both with keyboard though, so it doesn't really count.
Why do you say that Rowan? To me it seems keyboard and stackmat work about the same, neither one is advantageous time-wise imo.

#### cincyaviation

##### Member
Why do you say that Rowan? To me it seems keyboard and stackmat work about the same, neither one is advantageous time-wise imo.
You can't start while touching the cube with a stackmat, and you can't do the last move as you hit the timer with a stackmat either.

#### Alcuber

##### Member
I think sub-3 is possible, because i just thought of one factor of my crap averages:
TOO much lock-ups.

I could've easily gotten sub-3.5 averages, if i were to use a better cube than a Lan-Lan... well i didn't lubricate it, so that might be another factor...
I thought Lanlan was the best 2x2?

#### Joemamma556

##### Member
I think sub-3 is possible, because i just thought of one factor of my crap averages:
TOO much lock-ups.

I could've easily gotten sub-3.5 averages, if i were to use a better cube than a Lan-Lan... well i didn't lubricate it, so that might be another factor...
If you don't Like lanlan I would recommend a Ghost hand 2x2...when they are lubricated and tensioned they are really nice.

#### JackJ

##### Member
Sub 3.5 average of 5 is pretty doable for me. I do have a 3.06 average with Ortega I got a few months back.

#### oprah62

##### Member
Of course it's easy Ben can sub 2.5 easily with pure LBL

#### bluecloe45

##### Member
wait, u said u avg 3.92 based on 1 avg5?

#### DavidWoner

##### The Punchmaster
Why do you say that Rowan? To me it seems keyboard and stackmat work about the same, neither one is advantageous time-wise imo.
Rowan just sucks at keyboard timing And a .1 difference that would otherwise be negligible becomes a big deal on something as fast as 2x2.

#### rowehessler

##### Member
ive gotten somewhere between 2.5-2.9 avg12 with ortega last time i tried it, but not sure of the exact time.

#### onionhoney

##### Member
2.58 a12

EDIT: 2.31, 1.94, 2.64, (1.51), 3.10, 2.69, 2.62, 2.70, (3.36), 2.06, 2.03, 2.59=2.47

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#### jim32

##### Member
hello guys.this is my improvemenr in 2x2:
-avg 15 after learning ortegas algs.
-easy avg 10 after get used of the algs
-avg 6,8-7,5 just getting better with oll recognition only by practise
-avg 6-6,7 by starting to oredeict the fl bar position
-avg 5,5-6,5 by buying a better cube (moju llingpo)
BUT NOW I I HAVE STUCKED THERE..what is the next step to get 3,5-5 with ortega?

#### GenTheThief

##### Member
hello guys.this is my improvemenr in 2x2:
-avg 15 after learning ortegas algs.
-easy avg 10 after get used of the algs
-avg 6,8-7,5 just getting better with oll recognition only by practise
-avg 6-6,7 by starting to oredeict the fl bar position
-avg 5,5-6,5 by buying a better cube (moju llingpo)
BUT NOW I I HAVE STUCKED THERE..what is the next step to get 3,5-5 with ortega?
Faster TPS
OLL prediction
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Learn multiple algs for different angles and AUFs
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Learn AUF for your PBL algs
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At some point, Ortegavarasano just isn't quite worth it, and learning CLL or EG would be a better use of your time. If mid 3 is your only goal though, then those alg sets aren't necessary.

#### jim32

##### Member
i got it i have started learning 2 eg1 algs per day.