What's the difference between ZZ and CFOP methods?

[Goktrenks]

I was looking for new f2l algorithms when I found zz method but I can't see any differences between these two (on f2l), so, what's the difference?

 

[Twoflower]

By doing the EOline you get these advantages in the f2l-stage:

- Blockbuilding
- No cuberotations
- Only R, U and L are needed (and of course inverse).

For the last layer:
If you want to do OLL you reduce the amount of cases to 8 (I think, or is it 7?)
Plus you can use WinterVariation, since edges are already oriented.

 

[Kirjava]

Only R, U and L are needed (and of course inverse).

I don't see this as an advantage.

 

[The Bloody Talon]

I don't see this as an advantage.

I also consider it as an advantage because it is finger friendly.

 

[Godmil]

I don't see this as an advantage.

Yes, I think this is sometimes overstated as a good thing. Switching between the left and right hand is a regrip. It's not always quite as slow as a rotation but it's still not great. (I went through all my PLL's to make sure there wasn't a single L or l move).

 

[The Bloody Talon]

Yes, I think this is sometimes overstated as a good thing. Switching between the left and right hand is a regrip. It's not always quite as slow as a rotation but it's still not great. (I went through all my PLL's to make sure there wasn't a single L or l move).

L and R is no difference to me.
but yeah, I'm sure there are many people who does't do well with L turn
So, I guess it depends upon the cuber.

 

[Escher]

L and R is no difference to me.
but yeah, I'm sure there are many people who does't do well with L turn
So, I guess it depends upon the cuber.

What he means is that you have to switch gripping hand and turning hand, which takes time.

Plus you have to do L2/R2 moves which suck generally.

 

[Godmil]

L and R is no difference to me.
but yeah, I'm sure there are many people who does't do well with L turn
So, I guess it depends upon the cuber.

I wasn't meaning so much the difference between doing L and R, but if you're switching between hands then you're doing regrips which aren't ideal. That's why I like the idea Thom had on the podcast a wee bit back about rotating it so that it's <U,R,D> (possibly just to solve the then U face, then doing a Z' to do just <R,U> That way you don't need to be swapping between hands and U and D turns can be done at the same time.

EDIT: Ninja'd

 

[The Bloody Talon]

oh ok.
yeah, now i get it.
I haven't considered that switching from L to R or vice versa is a regrip. but yeah, it is.
sorry, I was talking nonsense.