What is world class?

[teboecubes]

What would most people consider "world class" for different WCA and even non-wca events?

For example:
In my opinion, world class for 2x2 is consistenly sub-2, world class for 3x3 has at least 2 sub-6 official singles, and world class for redi cube is sub-15 on aveage (idk about the last one i know the uwr is sub 6 now)

 

[Ronxu]

ability to podium at any competition assuming nobody massively underperforms
/thread

 

[Ordway Persyn]

I would say that if someone has reasonable potential to break a WR, then they could be considered to be world class.

 

[Max Cruz]

Well, if one attends the world championship, then isn't ze world class?

 

[Gomorrite]

You will be world class when you are recognized as such by the most prestigious cubing institution: Red Bull.

 

[shadowslice e]

Well, if one attends the world championship, then isn't ze world class?

Considering how few restrictions there were to entry, no not by a long shot.

 

[Ghost Cuber]

ability to podium at any competition assuming nobody massively underperforms
/thread

I disagree with that. Some areas are not very competitive. I have 2 Pyraminx podiums, neither of which were sub-4 averages.

 

[Sajwo]

I disagree with that. Some areas are not very competitive. I have 2 Pyraminx podiums, neither of which were sub-4 averages.

Any competition = Worlds and Continental Championships

 

[CyanSandwich]

I disagree with that. Some areas are not very competitive. I have 2 Pyraminx podiums, neither of which were sub-4 averages.

He meant any as in, no matter what competition it is you can podium.

Anything can mean "something" or "everything", and in this case it's the second one.

 

[cuber314159]

Anyone who has a pb ao5 that's less than the wr ao5

 

[WACWCA]

Depends on the event, here's my list for a few
2x2: sub 2 consistent
3x3: Sub 7/ low 7
4x4: sub 30
5x5: sub 55?
Oh: Sub 13?
For smaller events there is more world class than I would say there is for 6x6

 

[Underwatercuber]

ability to podium at any competition assuming nobody massively underperforms
/thread

I agree with this for the most part with most events. Some super fast events like 2x2 for example you might be within a small fraction of a second of the podium and not make it. For example at worlds 2017 there were 6 people who got sub 2 averages. 3rd and 4th place even tied and had to be determined by faster single. With other events it’s the opposite like clock for example I would consider world class sub 7 but we still have yet to get a sub 7 podium at worlds (or any comp I think). Overall I think the “if you can podium at a comp you are world class” idea works but it’s an exception for certain events.

 

[Ronxu]

I agree with this for the most part with most events. Some super fast events like 2x2 for example you might be within a small fraction of a second of the podium and not make it. For example at worlds 2017 there were 6 people who got sub 2 averages. 3rd and 4th place even tied and had to be determined by faster single. With other events it’s the opposite like clock for example I would consider world class sub 7 but we still have yet to get a sub 7 podium at worlds (or any comp I think). Overall I think the “if you can podium at a comp you are world class” idea works but it’s an exception for certain events.

Obviously the people who didn't podium but got close are capable of getting podium against top competitors but there's only room for 3 people on the podium per worlds so some people will miss out.

Clock is an event where the slightest error can ruin your solve and I don't think there is anyone who can consistently do 4 flawless solves in an average. The pressure from competing in a final of a big competition only makes the errors more frequent so it's unlikely that 3 top competitors get a good average by their standards. It's not underperforming if it happens every time, it's just the nature of the event.

 

[Competition Cuber]

What I would say:
2x2: sub-2
3x3: sub-7.5
4x4: sub-30
5x5: sub-55?
OH: sub-14?
Pyra: sub-3
Squan: sub-12
Skewb: sub-4?

 

[teboecubes]

You will be world class when you are recognized as such by the most prestigious cubing institution: Red Bull.

lol

 

[cuber314159]

You will be world class when you are recognized as such by the most prestigious cubing institution: Red Bull.

This is why there should be a dislike button @pjk

 

[tx789]

When you reach a certain fast speed. Like sub 8 on 3x3, sub 50 on Megaminx, sub 30 on 4x4, sub 1 on 5x5. So the definition I find people have are too tight. Having a chance to make finals in a event assuming everyone shows up is better. Not just podium.

 

[Max Cruz]

Considering how few restrictions there were to entry, no not by a long shot.

Please define what world-class means, not the qualifications for it. For example, is this from a competitive point of view?

Thank you.

-Max

 

[shadowslice e]

Please define what world-class means, not the qualifications for it. For example, is this from a competitive point of view?

Thank you.

-Max

I don't really know/ care what world class in cubing is. I'm just saying that attending worlds or euros etc does not make you world class because you don't need good times to go (at least in recent history).

In addition, how would you define world class if not through their qualifications?

 

[CarterK]

Anyone who has a pb ao5 that's less than the wr ao5

No way. I have sub 3 averages in skewb, but I average 4.5. I have sub wr averages in 2x2, but I average 2.5.