[WCA Regulations 2012] Clock Notation

[Lucas Garron]

I'm a little late. I like this proposal. Here is an alternative without flipping the clock :
U4+ d3- R2- l3+ D1- u2- L6+ r5+ UL3+ UR4- DR6+ DL4+ A3+ a4-
This is closer to the actual order of scrambling. upper-case: pins up, lower-case: pins dows.

I think the lowercase letters prevent it from being as easy to understand as possible.

B the way, Mark 2 currently uses:

[UUdd] U4 d2' [dUdU] U5 d5 [ddUU] U2' d5' [UdUd] U4' d5 [dUUU] U3' [UdUU] U3 [UUUd] U3 [UUdU] U3 [UUUU] U5 [dddd] d2' [ddUd]

This does't deal with peg order, nor with clarifying what U4 or d2' mean, but I think it's actually quite readable.

 

[ben1996123]

UU   dU   dd   Ud   dU   Ud   UU   UU   UU   dd   Ud
dd   dU   UU   Ud   UU   UU   Ud   dU   UU   dd   dd

u=-2 --   u=2  u=-4 u=2  u=-4 u=5  u=-1 u=2  --   --
d=3  d=-5 d=-1 d=6  --   --   --   --   --   d=-3 --

I would prefer something like this. Easily understandable.

 

[Pedro]

I talked to Lucas yesterday, and came up with this: http://www.cuber.com.br/clockScrambler.html

It uses Clément's idea (UUdd,1,2)...

Suggestions are welcome.

 

[Pedro]

Shameless bump, but I did some improvement.

Printing the page will now only show the image and competition name/round, which the user can input.

Here's a sample: http://www.cuber.com.br/clockScramble.pdf

 

[Mike Hughey]

I feel like someone should respond to this - it looks like a lot of work and a nice job, so I think someone should say something.

It looks very pretty!

I have to admit, I personally find the pictures with each step to be rather distracting - I'd rather just have the text and maybe the final picture. But at the same time, I know that it is often true that you have the need for non-clock-solvers to scramble clock, and for them, the step-by-step pictures for the pins and directions seem rather nice. And I suspect it would actually be pretty easy to ignore the pictures once you got into scrambling. So I think that overall this seems like a really big improvement to me. I like it - I hope something like this will be adopted.

 

[Mollerz]

I feel like someone should respond to this - it looks like a lot of work and a nice job, so I think someone should say something.

It looks very pretty!

I have to admit, I personally find the pictures with each step to be rather distracting - I'd rather just have the text and maybe the final picture. But at the same time, I know that it is often true that you have the need for non-clock-solvers to scramble clock, and for them, the step-by-step pictures for the pins and directions seem rather nice. And I suspect it would actually be pretty easy to ignore the pictures once you got into scrambling. So I think that overall this seems like a really big improvement to me. I like it - I hope something like this will be adopted.

I think this is good because there are pictures to aid those who don't know how to scramble for when needed in competition, but those who know the pin order can just use the numbers underneath to scramble fast.

I like it a lot.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Oh, I just realized one thing: I think you should definitely have a text representation of the pin configuration at the end. Sometimes diagrams don't print properly, and the delegate might occasionally not notice a problem with it. If the pin configuration is in text, you won't get in trouble if, for instance, the printer leaves doubt as to the difference between yellow and brown in the diagram. And anyway, I think it's important to have a scramble that is expressed entirely in text.

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

Just me or are the numbers on the diagram wrong for all the UdUU moves?
Apart from that, looks good. Maybe 2 contrasting colours for pin up/down?

 

[Pedro]

I think this is good because there are pictures to aid those who don't know how to scramble for when needed in competition, but those who know the pin order can just use the numbers underneath to scramble fast.

I like it a lot.

Yes, that's the idea. I can scramble fine just reading the text below the images. You can filter them out if you want to.

Oh, I just realized one thing: I think you should definitely have a text representation of the pin configuration at the end. Sometimes diagrams don't print properly, and the delegate might occasionally not notice a problem with it. If the pin configuration is in text, you won't get in trouble if, for instance, the printer leaves doubt as to the difference between yellow and brown in the diagram. And anyway, I think it's important to have a scramble that is expressed entirely in text.

Added. The complete scrambles are at the textarea below (which doesn't get printed)

Just me or are the numbers on the diagram wrong for all the UdUU moves?
Apart from that, looks good. Maybe 2 contrasting colours for pin up/down?

You were right. That's what Ctrl+C Ctrl+V can cause Fixed now.

You guys should also post at the WCA forum here: https://worldcubeassociation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=948

 

[Mike Hughey]

Added. The complete scrambles are at the textarea below (which doesn't get printed)

Can you update the printed version (pdf)? The printed version is the one that most people will care about for bringing to competitions, so it's what I'm most interested in seeing corrected.

 

[Pedro]

Sure. http://www.cuber.com.br/clockScramble.pdf

 

[bamilan]

Is it possible to reorder the scrambling order? (just exchange the 2nd and 3rd ones) So we should not need so many clock rotations.
Scrambling position is with the clocks looking to the left, then after 2nd scramlbling step we would do an F on the whole puzzle, and finish scrambling as usual.
Using that you can use only the top wheels, which is more comfortable and a bit faster.

 

[Pedro]

Is it possible to reorder the scrambling order? (just exchange the 2nd and 3rd ones) So we should not need so many clock rotations.
Scrambling position is with the clocks looking to the left, then after 2nd scramlbling step we would do an F on the whole puzzle, and finish scrambling as usual.
Using that you can use only the top wheels, which is more comfortable and a bit faster.

I don't know. I just did a visual representation of the current scramble. You should post on the wca forum (https://worldcubeassociation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=948) about that. I agree it would make it easier.