BaMiao
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I don't see the point in differentiating retired, inactive, and active cubers. Let's just judge people for inclusion based on official results. Besides, we really shouldn't discourage any "retired" cubers from attending comps.
So... Will Smith is ok, but Herbert Kociemba isn't? That's just wrong.
Has stopped going to competitions to be the "best that they can be", but going to either hang out, help out, or organize the competition. (A case like this would be Oliver Frost.)
Herbert Kociemba would be inactive or retired in my opinion.
If we add Jessica, I think we should also add Lars Petrus, Gilles Roux, and Zbigniew Zborowski.
Are Dene and I the only ones that think this is kind of ... dumb?
Ideally it'd be neat, but there's no way that this isn't going to end up in a popularity contest unless we have strict guidelines, which will never fully encompass something that everyone cares about.
Guideline time!
In order for a speedcuber, retired, inactive (out of his prime), celebrity, or currently active, the following must be put into place before a nomination will be considered.
RETIRED -
The candidate will have had to not compete for three years, and it is recommended that a confirmed note of retirement is presented beforehand.
The candidate will have had to either :
Given such contributions to the cubing community, such as Gilles Roux, for inventing the Roux method.
Held a world record or a world championship title, but also presenting what can be considered a major improvement over other cubers. Such as Maskow's MultiBLD world record. It would be silly to put someone up for the Hall of Fame because they held a World Record for about a week. A good example of that would be the beginning of 2014, when about 15 people held the Skewb World Record in January.
Currently an inactive competitor, or a cuber out of their prime:
The candidate can qualify for this if he/she:
Has stopped going to competitions to be the "best that they can be", but going to either hang out, help out, or organize the competition. (A case like this would be Oliver Frost.)
Active:
Candidate must have held one or several meaningful World Records. The candidate also would have had to make a serious contribution to the community. (This can be dodged if the candidate has excelled greatly in one event. Example: Maskow, Feliks).
Celebrity:
Must have in any way popularized general cubing, but must be highly recognized and praised by the community itself. Examples include Will Smith, and Dan Brown. (Dan Brown is working in the media now, and he normally makes television appearances in New York.)
Let me know if any other guidelines need to be added/changed.
Also: When submitting nominations, include a bit of a description about the candidate. This way, it will help me look into it a bit more and will let me know what to emphasize on.
Guideline time!
In order for a speedcuber, retired, inactive (out of his prime), celebrity, or currently active, the following must be put into place before a nomination will be considered.
RETIRED -
The candidate will have had to not compete for three years, and it is recommended that a confirmed note of retirement is presented beforehand.
The candidate will have had to either :
Given such contributions to the cubing community, such as Gilles Roux, for inventing the Roux method.
Held a world record or a world championship title, but also presenting what can be considered a major improvement over other cubers. Such as Maskow's MultiBLD world record. It would be silly to put someone up for the Hall of Fame because they held a World Record for about a week. A good example of that would be the beginning of 2014, when about 15 people held the Skewb World Record in January.
Currently an inactive competitor, or a cuber out of their prime:
The candidate can qualify for this if he/she:
Has stopped going to competitions to be the "best that they can be", but going to either hang out, help out, or organize the competition. (A case like this would be Oliver Frost.)
Active:
Candidate must have held one or several meaningful World Records. The candidate also would have had to make a serious contribution to the community. (This can be dodged if the candidate has excelled greatly in one event. Example: Maskow, Feliks).
Celebrity:
Must have in any way popularized general cubing, but must be highly recognized and praised by the community itself. Examples include Will Smith, and Dan Brown. (Dan Brown is working in the media now, and he normally makes television appearances in New York.)
Let me know if any other guidelines need to be added/changed.
Also: When submitting nominations, include a bit of a description about the candidate. This way, it will help me look into it a bit more and will let me know what to emphasize on.
Ahahaha oh my it's worse than I thought. Can I be in there for all the NRs and CRs I held in the past?
Dene, really? CRs and NRs don't count. Also, couldn't you help a little on the guidelines instead of rambling in protest?
It's not at all obvious to me that not having a world record means no inclusion to a proposed hall of fame. That's logically equivalent to "If you're in the Hall of Fame, then you have a world record." If that's the case, then a Hall of Fame would just be a list of previous world record holders and there would be no need for a hall of fame.
I'm not exactly against this idea, but I think I agree with your general sentiment.
Perhaps this goes a little beyond the topic of this thread, but if people care much about certain people getting recognition, why not redirect their energy to, for example, updating the wiki? Unlike the hall of fame, it's a thing that already exists, and is an entity that can encompass things that everyone cares about. Anyone can contribute to it (they can add things about their favourite cubers to their hearts' content), but last I checked, there is so much there that deserves a lot more attention. (For example, Andrew Ricci was mentioned at some point, but his wiki entry is a mere 2 sentences long)
You don't necessarily need WR to get to the Hall of fame if you have given something valuable to the speedsolving community otherwise. BUT Dene asked specifically if he can get in the list BECAUSE he had some CRs and NRs earlier. And to that the answer is obviously no.
Should Emile Compion be in the Hall of Fame?
I don't know if he has contributed something significant to cubing community but simply judging by his WCA profile no. He shouldn't. I mean why should he? He isn't even near world class in any of the events. And only the best of the best should be in hall of fame
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