V Perms: z (U' R D R' U R U') (R D' R' U R2' D R2 D')

[jskyler91]

They're both no-grip friendly, but the second one more so.
Thanks, qq.

how do you start your hands?

Edit: I see how the second one can be done, but it still seems awkward and less fluid then the original

Dude. You are awesome!
I can't decide which I like better. (Yes I know they're inverses)

EDIT :

I do them both with no regrips ._.

Are you starting at home grip or another grip? Because I consider the cube rotation a regrip in itself and then any regrip you do after, such as starting in split grip would be another one

 

[Jaycee]

how do you start your hands?

z U' R U2 R' D' R U' R' D U' R' U R2 U' R2 U

After the z

Left thumb and middle finger on F and B centers, index finger in place to U'
Right hand in place to turn R layer, thumb on DR, next 3 fingers on URD, UR, and URU (I think I have those sticker names wrong.)
EDIT : I think this is the "home grip" you meant, no?

(U' R U2 R') -Fairly easy
(D' R U' R' D U') - push with left ring finger for D' left index and ring fingers for D and U'. R U' R' is easy.
(R' U R2 U' R2 U) - This is probably where you needed to regrip. Turn R' with your whole hand, push with left index for U, wrist turns for both R2s and push with left index for U.

This probably sucks in terms of how good the explanation is but it works somewhat well. The wristy turns in the last trigger are uncomfortable at first.

 

[jskyler91]

After the z

Left thumb and middle finger on F and B centers, index finger in place to U'
Right hand in place to turn R layer, thumb on DR, next 3 fingers on URD, UR, and URU (I think I have those sticker names wrong.)
EDIT : I think this is the "home grip" you meant, no?

(U' R U2 R') -Fairly easy
(D' R U' R' D U') - push with left ring finger for D' left index and ring fingers for D and U'. R U' R' is easy.
(R' U R2 U' R2 U) - This is probably where you needed to regrip. Turn R' with your whole hand, push with left index for U, wrist turns for both R2s and push with left index for U.

This probably sucks in terms of how good the explanation is but it works somewhat well. The wristy turns in the last trigger are uncomfortable at first.

I call home grip the grip the way you naturally hold the cube i.e. with thumbs on front, ring and middle on back and index hovering next to U layer. What you described sound like split grip, or when your left hand is normal, but your right hand is as if you just did an R' from the above mentioned grip. I consider this a regrip because it takes extra time to reach this stage, more so than it does homegrip. I tried your fingering and it works, but try the first alg on the home page from home grip doing a R2' to start and pulling on the Us. The execution is very solid and shorter. Maybe it is just me, but I like it better.

Edit: how fast is yours, because I have the original 1.5 already. I can't even sub 2 yours very often

 

[Jaycee]

Edit: how fast is yours, because I have the original 1.5 already. I can't even sub 2 yours very often

I'm slow at PLL execution compared to you From today

I 've been using the R' U R' U' alg for 8 months and I still don't sub-2 it. Maybe someone who is your speed should test them!

 

[Tim Major]

tbh I prefer the other V-perm. It's one of my favourite PLLs (R' U R' U')

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

And just as I find an execution for the standard that I was happy with. I'll try these out and see how it goes. Also, I think the inverse of the standard alg is good: F' R' F' R U' R U R2' F R U F U' F, no regrips for me, I don't know why it isn't more popular.

 

[Litz]

I know about 10 V perms since it's my worst PLL so I might as well learn a few more. The one I use is fast but has a few rotations so I can't sub 1.5 it. I'll practice the second one since I can do it somewhat fast right now (z U' R2 U R2 D R' U' R D' R D R' U R D') and time it once I'm used to it.

Thanks for the algorithms.

 

[SimonWestlund]

My V perm went from 1.27 to 0.91 today Thanks a lot guys!

 

[StachuK1992]

Which one are you using? I can't decide, and .91 sounds really really nice. Mine went from ~2.2 to 1.4

 

[SimonWestlund]

z (D' R2 D R2) (U R' D' R U') (R U R' D R U')

This one. Suits me amazingly well

 

[DYGH.Tjen]

z (D' R2 D R2) (U R' D' R U') (R U R' D R U')

This one. Suits me amazingly well

I like it too! Thanks to all the people who found these variations! RUD ftw!! :3

 

[Godmil]

Cool, can't wait to try these out, hate the old V-perm. Wee question though, for the people saying they are faster at these algs... Is that taking into account the cube rotation at the beginning?

 

[jskyler91]

Cool, can't wait to try these out, hate the old V-perm. Wee question though, for the people saying they are faster at these algs... Is that taking into account the cube rotation at the beginning?

For me it isn't, but I tend to take my hand off of the cube after oll to prepare for possible z's and so I do the rotation as I put my hand on the cube so it only takes an extra .2 or so seconds....

 

[DYGH.Tjen]

Cool, can't wait to try these out, hate the old V-perm. Wee question though, for the people saying they are faster at these algs... Is that taking into account the cube rotation at the beginning?

A z is faster than a y, or an x, I suppose. negligible speed? Idk.

 

[jskyler91]

My V perm went from 1.27 to 0.91 today Thanks a lot guys!

Could you show me a vid of you sub 1ing it? I would really like to see your fingering/ that just sounds awesome.

 

[DYGH.Tjen]

Could you show me a vid of you sub 1ing it? I would really like to see your fingering/ that just sounds awesome.

Hi jskyler, here's a video of Christopher Olson doing it. He's pretty good as well. Basically he does it like OP except he does R2' first then R2, and he doesn't use left index for the U at the end, but uses the right index.

 

[rubiksarlen]

someone discover a new g perm please..

 

[Jaycee]

G Perms aren't that hard. It's just than when people see some sort of picture describing what it does they think it's harder than it really is. My G Perms are about the same speed as my Y Perm and old V Perm. The algs are pretty easy to execute.

Example :

All the arrows make it look more difficult than it is.

What we really need is a new F Perm. >.<

 

[CuberMan]

I don't really like it, seems like I will stick with the R' U R' d' one.
EDIT: just got 1.38 with your first algo, just as fast as executing the old V perm. But I think I'll just use that algo for OH.

 

[cubernya]

G Perms aren't that hard. It's just than when people see some sort of picture describing what it does they think it's harder than it really is. My G Perms are about the same speed as my Y Perm and old V Perm. The algs are pretty easy to execute.

Example :

All the arrows make it look more difficult than it is.

What we really need is a new F Perm. >.<

I use FAZ's F-perm anc love it. It's a <R,U,F> alg with no rotations or weird moves, and a sexy ending (at least the way I do it)