# Upcoming puzzles

#### DuckubingCuber347

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4 copies of the same cube in 10 months. Thats actually a record for gan!
Only 4? It feel like 8.

#### the dnf master

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Gan 11 M Pro Primary Internals, Gan 11 M pro Black Internals, Gan 11 M pro Stickered, Gan 11 M Pro Soft Coated, Gan 11 M Pro UV Coated, Gan 11 M Duo, Gan 11 M, Gan 11 Air.
@Thecubingcuber347 you're right, there are eight versions of the Gan 11 M pro, unless I missed something.

#### OreKehStrah

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I hate when people complain about how expensive Gan’s flagships are and then further complain when they strip out luxury features to bring the cube to more accessible price points.

#### Tabe

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I hate when people complain about how expensive Gan’s flagships are and then further complain when they strip out luxury features to bring the cube to more accessible price points.
And you still end up with a $10 cube that costs$24.

#### OreKehStrah

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Gan 11 M Pro Primary Internals, Gan 11 M pro Black Internals, Gan 11 M pro Stickered, Gan 11 M Pro Soft Coated, Gan 11 M Pro UV Coated, Gan 11 M Duo, Gan 11 M, Gan 11 Air.
@Thecubingcuber347 you're right, there are eight versions of the Gan 11 M pro, unless I missed something.
Purple edition, and the 4 translucent ones too.

#### JohnnyReggae

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Only 4? It feel like 8.
Gan 11 M Pro Primary Internals, Gan 11 M pro Black Internals, Gan 11 M pro Stickered, Gan 11 M Pro Soft Coated, Gan 11 M Pro UV Coated, Gan 11 M Duo, Gan 11 M, Gan 11 Air.
@Thecubingcuber347 you're right, there are eight versions of the Gan 11 M pro, unless I missed something.
And you still end up with a $10 cube that costs$24.
To be bluntly honest .... If you are not going to be buying a GAN cube, why even bother complaining about how many different options there are ? Regardless of how many options there are, why continue to whine about it. It's really getting tired. We've all heard all of this before .... flogging a dead horse here ....

#### Zain_A24

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This message will likely get a lot of "meh" reactions in which case feel free to meh and move on.
It's funny how a bit of branding can trigger people so easily.

The GAN 11 Air could have also been called a Monster Go V2 or something and wouldn't have got the negative attention it has now, but as soon as a GAN logo is put onto it we're all freaking out.

To be fair the 11 Air looks like a very questionable release given that it's non-magnetic and higher priced than the Monster GO magnetic. It's something I thought GAN would eliminate after their GAN RS release with the opening of MonsterGO to handle the fully stripped-down versions, but I guess we'll have to see what's special about it (we'll more than likely try it out and share our thoughts on the channel).

The idea of creating a product range with varying prices and varying levels of sacrifices between each successive product is not something out of the ordinary. It's something done in the tech industry a lot. Flagships are released, which some people may or may not buy, and now that the R and D is done, they can produce cheaper stripped-down versions to help get the product to a larger audience at better prices. In tech it could be things like removing an extra camera module, an older processor, a smaller battery etc. It's completely reasonable.

It's something we haven't seen much in the cubing industry with most companies having a set of sub-brands/naming schemes for their products to denote budget and flagship - YJ's "MGC" and "Yu-", MoYu's "WRM", and "RS" line, DaYan's "GuHong", "TengYun" and "Zhanchi" lines. But the idea of having a series of products under one class known as the GAN 11 Series is something we haven't seen anywhere else in cubing (from what I'm aware).

Yes they've released 8 or so (maybe more) versions of the 11M Pro in a variety of forms, whether that be limited edition versions or "simplified" versions, but in no way are they expecting people to buy all of them. GAN's price range compared to a year or two ago is a lot broader, with there now being a cube for every few dollars to choose from, and the same can be said for tech companies like Samsung with their variety of new and old flagships, mid-tier and budget options.

I'm sure the sales of the 11 Air won't be as large as other products, and releasing a non-magnetic 3x3 in 2021 is just strange for any company, not just GAN. The idea of "all GAN cubes being the same" is an argument commonly being used by people who see the marketing but never try more than one of the products, making the assumption that "meh same internal mechanism, same cube". I'm not saying go out there and try out every GAN cube and realise they're different but you can take it from many people including myself that has had the pleasure of trying every GAN 3x3 since the GAN X that these cubes feel different, despite them looking the same from a marketing perspective. The Duo was quite surprising to us. We didn't know what to expect but right now it's holding up a lot more from a lubrication perspective compared to the Pro somehow. Differences arise.

This is not me attempting to defend GAN in any way. I've said confidently that the 11 Air is a very odd release. The 11M was expected before the release of the 11M Pro (it was spoken about in a meeting back in August of last year) so there's no surprise there for me. It'll be interesting to see how the cube feels without the corner magnets given that it's a big part of the Pro's success. At the end of the day everything is a purchasing decision. You have the option to believe the rumours created by those unfortunate enough to not have tried a GAN product (or have tried a product from 2-3 years ago and comparing it to modern flagships), or you can decide for yourself after watching reviews or doing whatever you may do before purchasing a product. Right now the 11M Duo is the product to go but if you're budget is not in that range the 11M is coming up and I'll have to try that out to see if I can actually recommend it to people in that price range.

Wow, long post. If you guys have anything you disagree with then be sure to drop a message below. This is completely clear of bias and the only thing I am using to write this is my last 2 years' experience of GAN products against other products of their time.

#### OreKehStrah

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I have issues with pain/fatigue in my hands and wrists (seen a doctor, no worries working on a solution) , so I’m actually excited for the completely non-mag version because it’s only 50 grams roughly. I think it will be nice to use as a longer session cube.

#### SH03L4C3

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Gan 11 M Pro Primary Internals, Gan 11 M pro Black Internals, Gan 11 M pro Stickered, Gan 11 M Pro Soft Coated, Gan 11 M Pro UV Coated, Gan 11 M Duo, Gan 11 M, Gan 11 Air.
@Thecubingcuber347 you're right, there are eight versions of the Gan 11 M pro, unless I missed something.
Would I carry be one technically

#### Tabe

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To be bluntly honest .... If you are not going to be buying a GAN cube, why even bother complaining about how many different options there are ? Regardless of how many options there are, why continue to whine about it. It's really getting tired. We've all heard all of this before .... flogging a dead horse here ....
I've owned a bunch of Gan cubes - at least 10. It's not whining to point out that they're releasing a non-magnetic 3x3 for roughly the same price as Qiyi's latest flagship. Or to note that their cubes are consistently significantly more than other cubes in the same space. To use Zain's analogy, does Samsung stripped down phones that cost more than OnePlus flagships? No? There ya go.

#### zslane

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GAN sometimes gets compared to Apple, with premium pricing surely being one of the reasons why. And just like Apple, GAN has a following amongst people who are loyal to the brand and can easily afford that loyalty. GAN caters to a very particular market demographic and does so with great energy. The fact that this bothers some people is an interesting study in psychology and socio-economic dynamics. It is the same thing with luxury cars, fine jewelry, premium services and accommodations, etc. There will always be people who are rankled/offended/bothered/whatever by anything that smells of wealth culture/elitism intruding into their favorite hobby, even if it doesn't really affect them in any material way.

#### qwr

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To use Zain's analogy, does Samsung stripped down phones that cost more than OnePlus flagships? No? There ya go.
OnePlus used to be known for very affordable flagships (which are replaced with their Nord line) while Samsung wasn't really pushing the budget market so much at the time compared to now

#### Tabe

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OnePlus used to be known for very affordable flagships (which are replaced with their Nord line) while Samsung wasn't really pushing the budget market so much at the time compared to now
That isn't really relevant to my comment. I'm talking right now. Gan has less-featured cubes (their new non-mag) that cost as much as other companies' flagship (Tornado v2). That would be like Samsung - NOW - charging more their reduced feature phones than OnePlus charges for a flagship. Doesn't happen.

#### JohnnyReggae

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I've owned a bunch of Gan cubes - at least 10. It's not whining to point out that they're releasing a non-magnetic 3x3 for roughly the same price as Qiyi's latest flagship. Or to note that their cubes are consistently significantly more than other cubes in the same space. To use Zain's analogy, does Samsung stripped down phones that cost more than OnePlus flagships? No? There ya go.
Totally get your points and agree that sure point out that their bottom-end cubes cost more than competitors flagships. However when I see this mentioned in almost every post about GAN when they release a new cube or version of a cube, I call it whining, and I'm over it. I get that people in general like to complain about things, I do it myself every time Apple releases a new phone at twice the price of the "old" one.

GAN clearly have a market strategy that is working for them otherwise they would not be doing it. I agree that their offerings are confusing and I haven't even bothered to look at the differences in their very latest offerings because I already have an 11M Pro. In the end more choice is always good and now we are really spoilt for choice at almost every price point from $5 through to$60. When I started speedcubing in 2015 there was the Moyu Aolong v2.

#### vidcapper

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Anyone else got the MFJS Meilong 13x13?

Amazingly good turning for such a big cube, so potentially quite speed solvable!

And its cubic, not pillowed.

#### cuber314159

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Anyone else got the MFJS Meilong 13x13?

Amazingly good turning for such a big cube, so potentially quite speed solvable!

And its cubic, not pillowed.
Interesting, I have been considering getting it, have you tried any of the yuxin little magic giant cubes? How does it compare?

#### vidcapper

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Interesting, I have been considering getting it, have you tried any of the yuxin little magic giant cubes? How does it compare?
Yes, I have tried the Yuxin LM 10x10 & 11x11, but while they turn very smoothly and seem stable, their extra size and weight makes them more difficult for me to handle, and slower to solve, than the MFJS equivalents, so I definitely prefer the latter.

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#### Tabe

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"There really aren't any other budget cubes that come magnetized in this size other than the Little Magic" - I mean, yeah, if we want to ignore the Yushu v2M and Yufu v2M, the best budget 6x6 and 7x7...

Also, it sure sounded like Cameron was afraid to say that the 7x7 is terrible.