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To anyone who has switched methods, what is your story?

What method did you switch to?


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I used to use CFOP and switched to Roux as well. I averaged around 16 with CFOP but thought Roux was a cool method so I decided to learn it. I thought doing M moves to finish solving the cube was really satisfying but I gave up really quickly because although LSE was satisfying, it was too hard for me. A few days later I decided to try and learn it again. This time I was starting to get good at LSE after finding some EO algorithms but still didn't feel like switching. After that I found Sean's vid where he did a sub 6 Ao5 with Roux. That really helped me make the decision to switch to Roux (and the fact I gave up learning OLL helped I guess). I started learning full CMLL after I averaged sub 20 with Roux. I ended up learning EOLR and my times dropped from around 16 seconds to 14. I still wasn't doing F2B efficiently and I decided to practice that. Right now I average 11-13 seconds and recently got a sub 10 Mo3.
 
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I started with pogobat LBL because it was easy to learn, then Samsara LBL to get introduce myself into CFOP last layer, then I wanted to get into F2L (but F2L is difficult) so I used badmephisto's Beginner CFOP method.

[Time: Sub-1 on 3x3]

Cross was a pain as a beginner so I decided to learn other methods to grasp more techniques and builds.
Roux was the first thing that showed up, but blockbuilding was hard as a beginner, so I needed to start myself off to Salvia method and then transition myself to beginner Roux.

LSE was a pain, so I went back to CFOP and then wanted to get advanced in last layer. OLL was kinda easy, but PLL algs were difficult for me. Some OLLs and most PLLs were a pain to learn and memorize back then, so I decided to practice and switch to CFCE. CLL was okay but ELL recognition made it much worse.

[Time: Sub-50 on 3x3 (I was really struggling)]

ZZ was the next thing that showed up, but I gave up learning it because I couldn't understand the tutorial about EO.
So of course, Petrus was next, and so I learned beginner petrus. The EO step tutorial was confusing, so I ignored that step and just went off to last layer normally. It was kinda slow and inefficient for me since I kept doing 2 cross edge->F2L pair->cross edge->F2L pair, etc.

Then I began learning and experiencing other methods: Columns First, Triangular Francisco, Ortega SPAM/Waterman, FreeFOP (codernunk64 version), 8355, and Pikas**t.

Then I decided to practice with CFOP; of course cross was still a pain and there weren't any good vids for me to get better at cross during this time. Then I realized something. The scramble is hard for CFOP, but easy for Roux if I made a 1x2x3 block. So I solved it with Roux but then ending up at a bad situation for second block, however, there's an easy 3/4 cross setup like FreeFOP method and decided to use that method step instead. Then back to CFOP for last slot and last layer. This is where I realized I can switch methods in every step, so I decided to make a conceptual method for myself,
"Lazy CFOP", a "method manipulation" speedsolving method. So I started creating my own cases and tricks to study when and when not to use a certain method/subset during a certain scramble case.

[Time Sub-30 on 3x3]

This became my main method. As time goes by, I slowly learned advanced F2L tricks, Full OLL, Full PLL, COLL algs, LSE, ZZF2L tricks, blockbuilding, and others that I don't remember. I still became impatient with EO, so I didn't learn that during this time. Lookahead was also a struggle and I also became impatient practicing it too.

After over a year, I became sub-20 with Lazy CFOP and comfortably advanced with 3x3.

[Time Sub-20 on 3x3]

After being Sub-20 with Lazy CFOP for a year, I finally learned EO and other cool ZZ techniques.
Afterwards, I became so advanced that I slowly lost some of my Lazy CFOP tricks due to becoming more efficient with my solves.
Cross was still a struggle and so as lookahead. As I was practicing CFOP, F2L started to become a struggle for me because I kept rotating and I feel restricted when I can't disrupt the cross edge. That's where I decided to move to Petrus.

I practiced blockbuilding and it felt much easier for me to do free moves with no restrictions. I did ended up learning advanced fingertricks and unusual pair insertions.

[Time Sub-15 on 3x3]

Here's where I am now (well Sub-14 now). At this point, I'm kinda satisfied enough and I'm not really too desperate in becoming sub-10.
Sorry my story was long.
 

ribbon method

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I started with pogobat LBL because it was easy to learn, then Samsara LBL to get introduce myself into CFOP last layer, then I wanted to get into F2L (but F2L is difficult) so I used badmephisto's Beginner CFOP method.

[Time: Sub-1 on 3x3]

Cross was a pain as a beginner so I decided to learn other methods to grasp more techniques and builds.
Roux was the first thing that showed up, but blockbuilding was hard as a beginner, so I needed to start myself off to Salvia method and then transition myself to beginner Roux.

LSE was a pain, so I went back to CFOP and then wanted to get advanced in last layer. OLL was kinda easy, but PLL algs were difficult for me. Some OLLs and most PLLs were a pain to learn and memorize back then, so I decided to practice and switch to CFCE. CLL was okay but ELL recognition made it much worse.

[Time: Sub-50 on 3x3 (I was really struggling)]

ZZ was the next thing that showed up, but I gave up learning it because I couldn't understand the tutorial about EO.
So of course, Petrus was next, and so I learned beginner petrus. The EO step tutorial was confusing, so I ignored that step and just went off to last layer normally. It was kinda slow and inefficient for me since I kept doing 2 cross edge->F2L pair->cross edge->F2L pair, etc.

Then I began learning and experiencing other methods: Columns First, Triangular Francisco, Ortega SPAM/Waterman, FreeFOP (codernunk64 version), 8355, and Pikas**t.

Then I decided to practice with CFOP; of course cross was still a pain and there weren't any good vids for me to get better at cross during this time. Then I realized something. The scramble is hard for CFOP, but easy for Roux if I made a 1x2x3 block. So I solved it with Roux but then ending up at a bad situation for second block, however, there's an easy 3/4 cross setup like FreeFOP method and decided to use that method step instead. Then back to CFOP for last slot and last layer. This is where I realized I can switch methods in every step, so I decided to make a conceptual method for myself,
"Lazy CFOP", a "method manipulation" speedsolving method. So I started creating my own cases and tricks to study when and when not to use a certain method/subset during a certain scramble case.

[Time Sub-30 on 3x3]

This became my main method. As time goes by, I slowly learned advanced F2L tricks, Full OLL, Full PLL, COLL algs, LSE, ZZF2L tricks, blockbuilding, and others that I don't remember. I still became impatient with EO, so I didn't learn that during this time. Lookahead was also a struggle and I also became impatient practicing it too.

After over a year, I became sub-20 with Lazy CFOP and comfortably advanced with 3x3.

[Time Sub-20 on 3x3]

After being Sub-20 with Lazy CFOP for a year, I finally learned EO and other cool ZZ techniques.
Afterwards, I became so advanced that I slowly lost some of my Lazy CFOP tricks due to becoming more efficient with my solves.
Cross was still a struggle and so as lookahead. As I was practicing CFOP, F2L started to become a struggle for me because I kept rotating and I feel restricted when I can't disrupt the cross edge. That's where I decided to move to Petrus.

I practiced blockbuilding and it felt much easier for me to do free moves with no restrictions. I did ended up learning advanced fingertricks and unusual pair insertions.

[Time Sub-15 on 3x3]

Here's where I am now (well Sub-14 now). At this point, I'm kinda satisfied enough and I'm not really too desperate in becoming sub-10.
Sorry my story was long.
Well shite im only sub 50
 
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I started with pogobat LBL because it was easy to learn, then Samsara LBL to get introduce myself into CFOP last layer, then I wanted to get into F2L (but F2L is difficult) so I used badmephisto's Beginner CFOP method.

[Time: Sub-1 on 3x3]

Cross was a pain as a beginner so I decided to learn other methods to grasp more techniques and builds.
Roux was the first thing that showed up, but blockbuilding was hard as a beginner, so I needed to start myself off to Salvia method and then transition myself to beginner Roux.

LSE was a pain, so I went back to CFOP and then wanted to get advanced in last layer. OLL was kinda easy, but PLL algs were difficult for me. Some OLLs and most PLLs were a pain to learn and memorize back then, so I decided to practice and switch to CFCE. CLL was okay but ELL recognition made it much worse.

[Time: Sub-50 on 3x3 (I was really struggling)]

ZZ was the next thing that showed up, but I gave up learning it because I couldn't understand the tutorial about EO.
So of course, Petrus was next, and so I learned beginner petrus. The EO step tutorial was confusing, so I ignored that step and just went off to last layer normally. It was kinda slow and inefficient for me since I kept doing 2 cross edge->F2L pair->cross edge->F2L pair, etc.

Then I began learning and experiencing other methods: Columns First, Triangular Francisco, Ortega SPAM/Waterman, FreeFOP (codernunk64 version), 8355, and Pikas**t.

Then I decided to practice with CFOP; of course cross was still a pain and there weren't any good vids for me to get better at cross during this time. Then I realized something. The scramble is hard for CFOP, but easy for Roux if I made a 1x2x3 block. So I solved it with Roux but then ending up at a bad situation for second block, however, there's an easy 3/4 cross setup like FreeFOP method and decided to use that method step instead. Then back to CFOP for last slot and last layer. This is where I realized I can switch methods in every step, so I decided to make a conceptual method for myself,
"Lazy CFOP", a "method manipulation" speedsolving method. So I started creating my own cases and tricks to study when and when not to use a certain method/subset during a certain scramble case.

[Time Sub-30 on 3x3]

This became my main method. As time goes by, I slowly learned advanced F2L tricks, Full OLL, Full PLL, COLL algs, LSE, ZZF2L tricks, blockbuilding, and others that I don't remember. I still became impatient with EO, so I didn't learn that during this time. Lookahead was also a struggle and I also became impatient practicing it too.

After over a year, I became sub-20 with Lazy CFOP and comfortably advanced with 3x3.

[Time Sub-20 on 3x3]

After being Sub-20 with Lazy CFOP for a year, I finally learned EO and other cool ZZ techniques.
Afterwards, I became so advanced that I slowly lost some of my Lazy CFOP tricks due to becoming more efficient with my solves.
Cross was still a struggle and so as lookahead. As I was practicing CFOP, F2L started to become a struggle for me because I kept rotating and I feel restricted when I can't disrupt the cross edge. That's where I decided to move to Petrus.

I practiced blockbuilding and it felt much easier for me to do free moves with no restrictions. I did ended up learning advanced fingertricks and unusual pair insertions.

[Time Sub-15 on 3x3]

Here's where I am now (well Sub-14 now). At this point, I'm kinda satisfied enough and I'm not really too desperate in becoming sub-10.
Sorry my story was long.
*FreeFOP
 

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I'm sticking with CFOP (after having switched to it from beginner method). Enough world titles have been won with CFOP that I feel confident the limiting factor for me isn't the method but my brain and fingers. Switching one hard-to-master method for another doesn't sound terribly productive to me. Especially since my goal has nothing whatsoever to do with becoming #1 in the world or competing for titles.
 
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That makes u less cool
Please don't say that, he can potentially be super fast at OH using LEOR. In fact, it's pretty cool for someone to use it as a main on OH.
Telling someone that uses a very underrated method is not cool is very messed up and discouraging.
That's like having people telling me that I can't make friends with other cool cubers because I use a beginner method and not an advanced speedcubing method like them.
Never say that to anyone please.
 

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Please don't say that, he can potentially be super fast at OH using LEOR. In fact, it's pretty cool for someone to use it as a main on OH.
Telling someone that uses a very underrated method is not cool is very messed up and discouraging.
That's like having people telling me that I can't make friends with other cool cubers because I use a beginner method and not an advanced speedcubing method like them.
Never say that to anyone please.
I meant it as a jk
 

Pika

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For me i used to use CFOP but then i switched to roux because of interest, i was having a blast! i used Roux a lot and ended up in my first 1 minute flat solve! then when i was looking for roux tutorials i stumbled upon this website which i admit was a great experience and i didn't regret accidentally clicking a link to this website from a youtuber :). Then i introduced myself to this community and one of them actually suggested for me to try petrus, so i did, and it turned me into switching from roux to petrus, and i got an idea where i would try to learn as much methods as i can, and it turned out pretty well! i learned 7 methods in just 4 weeks. right now im still trying to learn as much methods as i possibly can and for now i don't even have a main method :p i just solve the cube using a method that i see fit on the scramble the most.

edit: actually i think its in 3 weeks... but i learned the basic parts so ye
so that's how it feels being method neutral
 

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Started slowly early December. J.Perm beginners method.
Then I learned 4LLL and intuitive F2L
Then early February, I felt stuck at 1m40s, so decided to try Roux. Fewer algorithms to learn, more intuitive.
2-look CMLL is just the algorithms from OLL/PLL I learned from J.Perm. Tried to learn the T-cases, but do not solve enough, so I can do the algorithms, I can name the case, but still can't always pick the right algorithm based on the case. And it has grown worse. Likely means I will delay learning full CMLL until I am around 30s.

I replaced the 2 adjacent corner swap algorithm, but kept the other. Progress just continues. 53.xx Ao100. Still not as efficient at FB as I want to. I am blue/green color neutral, and has started doing more yellow solves as well to get that. Not really difficult, but still have to think. Green/yellow means green red in left front. Sometimes I run random swap algorithms on randomly oriented cube, so I do get a little practice with other top/bottom colors.

PS: Still does the occasional beginners method solve so I can help beginners, and CFOP as well.
 

tsmosher

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I've only been cubing for roughly a year.

As everyone does, I started with the beginner's method.
Discovered CFOP/F2L and began trying to hone my chops on F2L.
From here, I got lost in a sea of different block-building methods... primarily Heise and Petrus.
(At this point, Roux SB was too difficult for me to do without destroying FB, so I ditched Roux.)

I would say that for a little while, I used my own version of Petrus as my main method. I simply liked block-building at the beginning more than anything else I'd tried (cross, EO, etc...). After 223, I would do Petrus-W style EO only to (usually) mess it up during the final F2L pairs. Some version of O(C)LL/PLL to finish.

(Side note on LL methods: I went through a lot of LL methods. phasing/OCLL-EPP/PLL -- OCLL/OLLCP-A/EPLL -- 2L OLL/2L PLL -- OCLL/CPLL/LSE -- LLEF/CPLL.)

Wanting to get faster (because my son was consistently beating me at F2L), I returned to the basics with CFOP. Relearned all of the F2L cases-- learning as many intuitively as possible in order to minimize the number of algorithms cluttering my head. Practiced hard for months with CFOP, improving very little. From ~1:00, I got down to low 40s ao10 (PB of 27 sec.).

That's when I realized I never really liked CFOP. It just felt too rigid/structured/unimaginative. (This was just as I had finished learning full OLL as well.)

I now use my own version of Roux/LEOR. It is simple and suits my needs (which is not speedsolving). It allows me to be creative at the start of my solve or to take a number of guided/shepherded starts if I am speedsolving (usually against my sons). LSE to finish (specifically 4c) is my favorite way to finish. Only gripe is learning COLL which has been daunting. EOLR/BF right before LS gives me more triggers to utilize and has been teaching me how to solve all of the F2L cases <RU> (for LS). I am still VERY slow, but I'm hoping that improves with solves and practice. One thing I've quickly come to terms with is the fact that I am not fast at solving and probably never will be; having picked up the cube at a MUCH older age than most, I am just happy to solve it.

I still love to learn new methods or new ideas for existing methods. But I definitely think I've finally stumbled upon the method I will use for the foreseeable future.
 

povlhp

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Not fast either. But love roux. Still do the occasional beginners and cfop solve.
Started learning CMLL but dropped it. Not enough solves to keep remembering it.
If I start swapping corners around 30s, I know the time will be good. Likely under 50s.
only PB under 40s so far. But a few 40.x seconds. 50+ y.I.
 
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Before switching to cfop my best time was 30ish seconds. Learning cfop really helped me to drop my times, when I finished learning the last olls I was solving under 20 seconds on average. My personal bests are on my sig

I switched to CFOP from LBL :p
 
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