The cubing argument thread

[MJS Cubing]

What do you guys think the best method for OH is?

Roux

IMO there is not 1 perfect method for OH. One could argue that Roux is best because it has a lower move count per solve, meaning you theoretically would get a faster time with the same TPS on the same scramble. However, In practice it is not that simple. Especially if you are just starting out, M moves for OH are hard at best. If you are a more advanced solver though, you can get really fast times.
CFOP is objectively the best method for the beginner/average cuber, as there is no M moves unless you are using fancy F2L algs, or if you get a few specific OLL/PLL cases. However you do need to have higher TPS to be fast because there are more moves in an average CFOP solve. CFOP is a lot more easy to learn coming from LBL. know it. So I would say it’s better for beginners, or your average cuber that already knows CFOP. However, if you are more serious about OH, or already know Roux, I would say its better to go with Roux.

 

[Agam Chawla]

Roux more like SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
for 3x3 i can consider but M moves in OH man thats a big problem
Like you have to twist the cube at a certain angle and if its slippery surface then ILL GET YOUR COFFIN BUDDY
and if youre cubes are really bad at M moves so you die and if youre cube have strong magnets well you again die
so like for using roux you have to have 1 a surface with grip 2 a perfect cube 3 good at quick rotations

 

[Deleted member 55877]

What do you guys think the best method for OH is?

ZZ > Roux > CFOP my opinion

i believe ZZ is best because it's quite efficient and almost completely RUL gen turning which is very good for OH
Roux is insanely efficient, definitely the most efficient of the three, but MU gen < RUL gen
CFOP is just bad for OH because high movecount and rotations

 

[Agam Chawla]

But man the thing that makes CFOP a method of choice is how far you can lookahead in inspection
ZZ maximum 'making your all edges oriented' if more then your EO but logically it can solve only 2 like only 2 pieces of your whole CUBE
well that is messed up
Roux i have already argued but in inspection only the 2 blocks which can solve only 10 pieces
AND
CFOP ohhhh inspection friendly sub 10 both hands can almost in each solve can plan cross+1 which is 12 pieces and if in some lucky solve you can cross +2
thats sweet too sweet

 

[Wandew]

clock is the best event

 

[Deleted member 55877]

But man the thing that makes CFOP a method of choice is how far you can lookahead in inspection
ZZ maximum 'making your all edges oriented' if more then your EO but logically it can solve only 2 like only 2 pieces of your whole CUBE
well that is messed up
CFOP ohhhh inspection friendly sub 10 both hands can almost in each solve can plan cross+1 which is 12 pieces and if in some lucky solve you can cross +2
thats sweet too sweet

With ZZ you can plan out EO and cross, which isn't any harder than CFOP cross+1.

 

[the dnf master]

Roux is the best, because it is super efficient and M moves aren't that bad once you get used to it

 

[Deleted member 55877]

Roux is the best, because it is super efficient and M moves aren't that bad once you get used to it

Bad lookahead is the issue.

 

[MJS Cubing]

ZZ > Roux > CFOP my opinion

i believe ZZ is best because it's quite efficient and almost completely RUL gen turning which is very good for OH
Roux is insanely efficient, definitely the most efficient of the three, but MU gen < RUL gen
CFOP is just bad for OH because high movecount and rotations

I was gonna compare with zz, but 5 min of research on the wiki did not have me confident in arguing.

 

[MJS Cubing]

clock is the best event

In your opinion. Objectively, 3x3 is the best event, for more reasons than I care to list ATM. If you want me to, I will when I get access to an actual keyboard

Sent from my Samsung car, oh wait I mean a Tesla using Taptalk

 

[the dnf master]

Bad lookahead is the issue.

zz look ahead is worse

 

[PetrusQuber]

Sometimes this thread reminds me of the hypixel forums
‘Yes of course x is better cos you can’t do as gud and you know what there are no cons it’s just so so gooood. Git gud noob’

As ever, I return to my original statements on choosing methods for fun, not for their potential.
All methods really can go sub 8 or more depending on how dedicated/insane you are, definitely so for the big 4. I doubt most will reach that point where they are sub 8 or faster, and actually can’t get faster simply because of their method.

And really, why do we even want to get faster? For fun.
It may be easier to reach faster times with methods like CFOP, but this does not necessarily mean CFOP is the best. Maybe easier times is what you find fun, maybe you find algorithms fun, maybe you like intuiting stuff yourself.
Just have fun.

We are far from the limits of methods like even CFOP, and until then, we won’t be able to accurately predict times and how each method will stack up against each other.

 

[Deleted member 55877]

zz look ahead is worse

With eocross it's actually better, because all of the edges are oriented and there aren't any moer blind spots than CFOP

 

[the dnf master]

ok you win, I can't think of a rebuttal

 

[Kaiju_cube]

 

[Porcupine01]

Cubing in public is better for practicing than at home.
change my mind.

 

[SH03L4C3]

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[MJS Cubing]

Cubing in public is better for practicing than at home.
change my mind.

Not sure where you get that idea. I always do better at home, there’s Better lighting, less people asking questions, you’re able to sit down with my laptop and stackmat, having all of your cubes, and the list goes on.

 

[Nmile7300]

Not sure where you get that idea. I always do better at home, there’s Better lighting, less people asking questions, you’re able to sit down with my laptop and stackmat, having all of your cubes, and the list goes on.

I think the whole point of what this person was saying is that NOT having those things is beneficial. Having to deal with stares, questions, nervousness, not having your best cubes, and just overall being in an uncomfortable situation can help you prepare for comps and even improve you social skills.

 

[Porcupine01]

I think the whole point of what this person was saying is that NOT having those things is beneficial. Having to deal with stares, questions, nervousness, not having your best cubes, and just overall being in an uncomfortable situation can help you prepare for comps and even improve you social skills.

That is exactly what I was getting at...