The Big Cube OH UWR Thread

[~Adam~]

IMO if you use the table even for short amounts of time it should count as table abuse.

 

[antoineccantin]

I suppose, but generally 1:30 OH solvers are doing less than one turn per second which makes me think he'd be slower at 5x5 OH.

At one point I averaged about 21 on OH and 1:55 on 5x5 I just based his solve as being unlikely based off my expectations.

Turning a 3x3 OH and turning a 5x5 OH is completely different.

 

[tx789]

IMO if you use the table even for short amounts of time it should count as table abuse.

even to align the layers once

 

[qqwref]

IMO using the table just to occasionally align layers is table use, not table abuse.

 

[Konsta]

But there should be also 0 table use list too. I tried that for the first time ever with 5x5, got 8min 56sec. Wasn't half as fun as I was expecting.

 

[Kirjava]

IMO using the table just to occasionally align layers is table use, not table abuse.

Using the table to intentionally make turns is table use.

 

[~Adam~]

even to align the layers once

Yes, even to align the layers once.

You are allowed to use the table in one handed so it isn't abuse, it's just use.
If you used the table it should not count as a solve without the use of the table.

 

[Kirjava]

IMO using the table just to occasionally align layers is table use, not table abuse.

That is a DNF with traditional rules.

All your OH no table results are DNF.

 

[~Adam~]

Anyone pro occasional table use in a no TA solve care to draw the line between use and abuse?

Perhaps arbitrarily say 1 use of table per solve per layer?

Or would it make more sense to not be allowed to use the table at all?

 

[SirWaffle]

Lets look at it this way, during a blind solve are you allowed to peek to refresh your memo and it still be a true blind solve? No, you're not so why should you be allowed to use the table at all during an OH solve and still say you didn't "really" use the table THAT much so it is not table abuse.. So yeah any use of the table should still be considered TA since how much of a difference it can make, in my opinion that is

 

[~Adam~]

^Good analogy. I hope other people can see it that way.

 

[TMOY]

lol... anybody with a clue about BLD can instantaneously tell that this analogy is just crap, sorry. Peeking under your blindfold at BLD really changes the event completely, because you don't have to memo anymore, and to go faster, you can even use a "BLD method" which is normally not usable by humans who do BLD honestly (that's what Kuti did). Realigning the layers with the table at OH doesn't give such a huge advantage, by far.

 

[SirWaffle]

lol... anybody with a clue about BLD can instantaneously tell that this analogy is just crap, sorry. Peeking under your blindfold at BLD really changes the event completely, because you don't have to memo anymore, and to go faster, you can even use a "BLD method" which is normally not usable by humans who do BLD honestly (that's what Kuti did). Realigning the layers with the table at OH doesn't give such a huge advantage, by far.

I know all about bld and if you were allowed to look mid execution i am quite sure there would not be anywhere near the same amount of dnf's or people would simply get faster times because they would have a faster recollection speed. And the same goes for big cube OH, if you use the table even once if can save a ton of time!

 

[TMOY]

And the same goes for big cube OH, if you use the table even once if can save a ton of time!

Really ? I want to see a vid of someone hittilng the table once during a big cube OH solve and all of a sudden getting much faster

 

[~Adam~]

Unfortunately you would need to see videos of 2 completely separate realities.
Once you have aligned the layers you can't know for sure how long it would've taken.

I realise there is an average but it can take a while to align multiple layers. I don't think several seconds per table use is out of the question.

 

[TMOY]

Both of you are completely missing my point. Whether you use the table or not, solving a big cube OH is still solving a big cube OH, using the table can make it faster but not intrinsically easier. On the other hand, solving a big cube BLD by peeking under the blindfold to memo a couple of pieces, then solving them, then peeking again, and so on, and thus not only having to memo a much smaller amount of info but also being able to make sure that execution mistakes always get corrected, is a trivial challenge which really has nothing to do with a true big BLD solve.

 

[antoineccantin]

From what I understand, Table Abuse is when you use the table to make turns. Simply aligning layers a few degrees is not making turns.

 

[~Adam~]

Both of you are completely missing my point.

I get your point, I just think I'm looking at it differently.

I'm thinking along the lines of 'I know the memo but am not recalling it very quickly, I can sit here for a few more seconds and it will come to me or I can peek and know right now'.

OH is OH IMO. You can use and 'abuse' the table as much as you want but if you want a different category then stop using the damn table!

 

[Kirjava]

From what I understand, Table Abuse is when you use the table to make turns. Simply aligning layers a few degrees is not making turns.

You cannot abuse the table as using it is permitted.

Both of the above constitute use of the table.

 

[Rnewms]

It's called OHITA = One-handed-in-the-air. I thought it was fairly well-known. OH implies you use one hand and no other bodily assist.