Sub-20 with Less common methods

[RampageCuber]

I'm looking in to both Roux and Petrus for the 3x3, because Fridrich is getting a little boring, and to still keep interest in the 3x3, I'm looking in to these two block building methods, but the problem is, I'm looking to get back to the speed I am with Fridrich as soon as possible. I've heard Petrus is slower than Fridrich getting sub-20, but is Roux slower than Petrus?

 

[joey]

Don't listen to that.

 

[soccerking813]

Nobody is really sure, because Fridrich is the only method that has been really ripped apart and made as good as possible with algs and different add-ons and stuff.

 

[Edmund]

Do Petrus. It's really cool and then you get use some MGLS algs, to make EJF2L. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yn1wLkC1eI I use Fridrich but I wanna switch to Petrus.

 

[RampageCuber]

Tried some Petrus solves, 30-45 seconds, not too bad.

 

[Ian]

Use petrus for F2L. Fridrich for LL

 

[RampageCuber]

Use petrus for F2L. Fridrich for LL

I was thinking about CxLL then EPLL, but, since I know all the PLLs and the seven corner-only OLLs, I guess I will be doing that.

 

[blah]

I used Petrus and I wanted to switch to Fridrich.

And I switched.

Seriously, does it matter what others do? Find what you like best. I have my pseudo-scientific reasons to believe that Fridrich is the best method for speedcubing. Just because it's getting boring doesn't mean you should switch. Instead, consider practicing other methods in which you're interested to, say, sub-25, and still maintain your Fridrich speed. It's not that hard and you don't really have anything to lose.

I can consistently sub-30 Petrus and Roux, and almost consistently sub-20 ZZ and CN Fridrich, not as I fast as I'd like to be, but it's incredibly fun! In fact, from my experience, learning all these other methods actually sped up my Fridrich. I got stuck at sub-17 for a looong time, started to mess around with all kinds of funny methods for a while, and I'm sub-14 now (in case you wanted some credibility).

 

[RampageCuber]

Okay, well since i was bored, here is my method of combining all the steps together.

Note: This isn't serious

1) Build a 2x2x2 Block
2) Build a 1x2x3 block
3) Insert Edge
4) ZBF2L (Mix of Bad Edges and last slot)
5 OLL
6)PLL

Surprisingly, I got sub-miniute

Edit: More suprisingly, I just got 36.67 XD

 

[EmersonHerrmann]

Roux is faster than Petrus (but this is only shown by a comparison between Austin Moore [sub-11] and Erik Johnson [sub-13? {I am unsure of what is the best he has reached}].)

 

[RampageCuber]

I think I'm going to go with Petrus, but I will follow Blah's advice until I'm Sub-25 with Petrus too, which appears to be about 3-4 weeks away. (I'm Averaging 31 with Petrus right now.)

 

[waffle=ijm]

Excuse me...I'm a sub-17 Roux user. So don't say it's bad. I'm also a sub-25 petrus user so don't say I don't know anything about petrus. If you can (R,U) faster than you can (M,U) then go petrus but if can (M,U) faster than (R,U) like me then go Roux

 

[RampageCuber]

M2 U2 M2 U2*4 = 5.49

R2 U2 R2 U2*4 = 5.80

Hmmm....

Petrus Solve: 35.07

Roux Solve 43.67

 

[fanwuq]

Roux is faster than Petrus (but this is only shown by a comparison between Austin Moore [sub-11] and Erik Johnson [sub-13? {I am unsure of what is the best he has reached}].)

Weakness of Roux: You are screwed for big cubes and megaminx.
Also, you can't compare people. Erik is way better at FMC.

RampageCuber,

(R2U2)*x just suck. Why don't you compare (MUM'U')*x and (RUR'U')*x?
How is sub-20 just 3-4 weeks away from you when you are at 31s?
I was stuck at 28 for almost 1/2 year using Fridrich practicing everyday. I've being stuck at sub-25s Petrus for another 1/2 year now (but without much practice).

Waffle has a good point. Do RU and MU in general, not specific algs.


Blah,
If it is humanly can see a ~10 move 2x2x3 block from inspection every time, I think Petrus would be by far the fastest method.
2s 2x2x3, 0-1.5s EO, 2-3s S4, 1-3s ZBLL seems possible if you spend a whole life time just cubing. I can see sub-5s nonlucky.

 

[RampageCuber]

Ok Fanwuq, here it is

RUR'U'*6 = 2.64

M'U'MU*6 = 5.78

Well, that makes the choice quite clear.

Also, I was thinking Sub-25 but typed Sub-20

 

[waffle=ijm]

Weakness of Roux: You are screwed for big cubes and megaminx.

oh the joys of roux.

 

[somerandomkidmike]

I'm a sub-20 Fridrich user, a sub-19 Petrus user, and a sub-16 Waterman variation user.

I like The idea of people using Roux because it is similar to Corners First.

 

[JLarsen]

Roux is faster than Petrus (but this is only shown by a comparison between Austin Moore [sub-11] and Erik Johnson [sub-13? {I am unsure of what is the best he has reached}].)

I do agree I have seen generally faster times with Roux on 3x3 but as far as big cubes and one hand it is terrible. That's my main reason for using Petrus out of those 3 most common methods. My one hand times are around 27 (I hardly practice) and my 3x3 speed is around 16/17.

 

[StachuK1992]

I'm a sub-20 Fridrich user, a sub-19 Petrus user, and a sub-16 Waterman variation user.

I like The idea of people using Roux because it is similar to Corners First.

wow...congratz on the sub16 waterman...I honestly have not heard of people getting such times with it.

 

[PlutoCuber]

Well, petrus can be faster than fridrich if you really work on it. If you want to get sub 20 as soon as possible, use fridrich. If you want to get faster than petrus, use roux but it will take longer to get faster.