Slow-ish Solves Help D;

[avery.chen]

Well. I've been cubing for like a year now, and I average around 55 seconds. I use 4LLL, and I know that's kinda really slow. I use a FII, but i still get horrible times D:

 

[waffle=ijm]

Well there. I think it's time to look into other methods. Besides, just because you have a good cube doesn't mean you'll get good times. Check out our wiki for alternatives other than 4LLL. Even check out block building methods too.

 

[Joker]

4LLL after a year? How often do you cube?
Well get your times to around 50 seconds is the first thing.
To do that, look ahead, and turn slow while solving LBL so you don't have any pauses.
Then when you reach 50 second average, learn F2L til you reach around 30 seconds.
Then start learning full OLL and PLL to get to around 20 seconds, while still practicing F2L. That should take some time to do, so I'll leave it at that.
EDIT:
I just got a 37 sec solve with the beginners method and 4LLL (haven't used that method for a few months) and some fast people can even use the same method and get solves around 20 seconds. So 50 seconds is definatelly reachable.

 

[avery.chen]

i already use intuitive f2ll, forgot to mention that. i cube every once in a while during the school year but during the summer i cube a lot.

 

[Joker]

i already use intuitive f2ll, forgot to mention that. i cube every once in a while during the school year but during the summer i cube a lot.

Then go back to corner first then edge. Cause you need to be able to recognise corner cases faster, which will help you out alot during F2L. Just use beginner method first, then when you reach 50 second solve, go to F2L.
That's what I recommend anyhow.

 

[avery.chen]

well i just did an average of ten and my times were:
00:49.45
00:44.79
01:01.45
00:45.69
01:13.44
00:54.65
00:45.93
00:53.66
00:45.76
00:45.31

 

[Joker]

well i just did an average of ten and my times were:
00:49.45
00:44.79
01:01.45
00:45.69
01:13.44
00:54.65
00:45.93
00:53.66
00:45.76
00:45.31

Try to get more consistent

 

[James Ludlow]

Try to get more consistent

Try to get more faster



But seriously, practise F2L, and practise more. Your times will come down. Honest.

 

[freshcuber]

Yea consistency is super important. I just did some averages on Cubemania and i had a solve that was 29.94(Only my second sub-30 solve) but it was in a group with a 51.98, 47.57, 46.30 and a 42.96. That gave me an average of 45.61 whereas my best average on Cubemania as of right now is a 40.90 cause all my solves were from 38-42.(I set that four averages after the 29 and 3/4 of the averages after the 29 were faster)

 

[Ranzha]

I'd say to stick with either layer-by-layer (LBL, as it were) or a keyhole method. Personally, I liked doing edges-first keyhole. This basically means you insert 3 of the middle edges after the cross (with stuff like R U' R' and L' U L), and using the empty edge slot, you insert the first-layer corners using sexy and D moves. =D

I learned to do this well when I was doing 8355 while trying to transition from LBL to CFOP.

 

[shelley]

i already use intuitive f2ll, forgot to mention that. i cube every once in a while during the school year but during the summer i cube a lot.

Then go back to corner first then edge. Cause you need to be able to recognise corner cases faster, which will help you out alot during F2L. Just use beginner method first, then when you reach 50 second solve, go to F2L.
That's what I recommend anyhow.

I disagree. Keep working on intuitive F2L, eventually it will become second nature and you will be able to do it faster.

 

[avery.chen]

i have been practicing f2ll for months now, and it really isnt getting that much faster

 

[clarubik]

Practice F2L a lot it made my times drop by ten seconds. And I would also start learning full PLL drastically changes your times

 

[uberCuber]

there really isn't much i can say to you without a video, except practice lookahead, and learn full PLL. I won't tell you to learn full OLL if you don't want to mainly because of this:

here's a sub 9 avg12 with 2 look OLL

9.63, 8.81, 9.34, 8.43, 8.83, 8.47, 10.77, 8.43, 8.72, 7.66, 11.71, 8.19

8.96 avg. 4/12 solves, the edges were already oriented. 2/12 were corner skips after orienting edges.

 

[Joker]

i already use intuitive f2ll, forgot to mention that. i cube every once in a while during the school year but during the summer i cube a lot.

Then go back to corner first then edge. Cause you need to be able to recognise corner cases faster, which will help you out alot during F2L. Just use beginner method first, then when you reach 50 second solve, go to F2L.
That's what I recommend anyhow.

I disagree. Keep working on intuitive F2L, eventually it will become second nature and you will be able to do it faster.

Well, saying hes been working on F2L for months, then I disagree with myself.
So uh yeah, keep working on F2L. Intuitive.

 

[Andrew Ricci]

I don't know, I think It's all personal preference. I like algorithm f2l, because intuitive bugged me with a ton of bad cases. So not everyone is the same.

 

[Rpotts]

there really isn't much i can say to you without a video, except practice lookahead, and learn full PLL. I won't tell you to learn full OLL if you don't want to mainly because of this:

here's a sub 9 avg12 with 2 look OLL

9.63, 8.81, 9.34, 8.43, 8.83, 8.47, 10.77, 8.43, 8.72, 7.66, 11.71, 8.19

8.96 avg. 4/12 solves, the edges were already oriented. 2/12 were corner skips after orienting edges.

Half of those solves were 1 look OLLs. Just saying, it's still very impressive.

On topic: practice, turn moar fast, LOOK AHEAD, to lookahead you really need to be able to each f2l case without looking at the pair you are solving, this way you can focus your eyes on the rest of the unsolved f2l pieces and anticipate your next f2l pair/case.

 

[shelley]

I don't know, I think It's all personal preference. I like algorithm f2l, because intuitive bugged me with a ton of bad cases. So not everyone is the same.

There were maybe three cases that weren't so intuitive and I had to look up algorithms for. Nobody says you have to go 100% intuitive and you can't use any algorithms or else you fail at life. Anyway, learning three algs still beats learning 40+.

 

[Andrew Ricci]

I don't know, I think It's all personal preference. I like algorithm f2l, because intuitive bugged me with a ton of bad cases. So not everyone is the same.

There were maybe three cases that weren't so intuitive and I had to look up algorithms for. Nobody says you have to go 100% intuitive and you can't use any algorithms or else you fail at life. Anyway, learning three algs still beats learning 40+.

Same.
I learned a few but figured out the rest. I call it algorithm because i treat each case like an algorithm, not making and inserting pairs.

 

[Joker]

I don't know, I think It's all personal preference. I like algorithm f2l, because intuitive bugged me with a ton of bad cases. So not everyone is the same.

There were maybe three cases that weren't so intuitive and I had to look up algorithms for. Nobody says you have to go 100% intuitive and you can't use any algorithms or else you fail at life. Anyway, learning three algs still beats learning 40+.

Yeah, it took me a week to get used to using intuitive F2L. But I'm glad I did. Usually, when you make your own algs (intuitively) you can execute them faster than if you learned them algorithmically.

But that might just be me.