Should we ban pillowed 7x7x7s?

[Sebastien]

my question is where do we draw the line?

There is a line naturally drawn by the the rules we have. It is a line drawn by hand though, so it is not perfectly straight and has some bumps here and there. Because of this we will apparently never get rid of people pointing at one of these bumps and complaining about it.

 

[jonlin]

No, they shouldn't (in my opinion). I feel that coloured cubes should not be banned for BLD also. To be fair, I say they should not be banned at all, but i do see the reasoning behind the illegality. To me the banning of coloured cubes for BLD solving is just away for the WCA to tidy up any confusion that smaller competitions may have. So, in my opinion, no they shouldn't ban the pillowed cubes, neither should they ban coloured cubes for BLD.

Do a 30 degree U move. That's not a move legally, allowing for faster memo time, because you're not disqualified.

 

[maggot]

i dont know about you guys but having a pillowed version of a puzzle is by no means an advantage. every pillowed version of a puzzle i own is difficult to hold and turn in comparison to their cubic version. i feel that since the pillowed puzzle has this disadvantage, it clearly balances out the minimal sticker view advantage that it has.

in the end, its not really worth it. of course, i wouldnt have taken action on stickerless cubes either. i havent ever recieved a better average time with a stickerless, nor do i ever see myself proving that a stickerless cube gave me the advantage and therefore my average dropped. its just silly nonsense.

 

[InfiniCuber]

I get what you are saying. It is not the wca delegates that I am worried about it is the community. A major reason why the possible banning of pillowed 7x7's even came up is the fact that stickerless cube were banned. If we keep banning things more things will be brought up with a supposed "advantage" and they will be banned, this created a domino effect. My question only is when do we stop letting the dominos fall down?

I highly agree with you on this. There is no reason for them to remove it, i mean an advantage could be asere simple as lubing a cube. I believe it is up to the cuber to decide what he wants and if it will give him an advantage. Just as he picks they brand of cube and how to lube it, he can see if pillowed will help or if he just likes the shape or whatever. Same thing with stickerless cubes. They should not have been banned in the first place. Again because the cuber has the choice to make of whether it helps him or not. Your times are not going to get faster because of this stickerless. Any cuber that even cubes under a minute knows this. ("Ain't nobody got time for that!" HAHA!) There is literally no reason (that i see) to remove this at all or ban pillowed cubes.

 

[tx789]

Most people like the shengshou better

 

[TheNextFeliks]

All cubes should be legal as long as they follow the regulations. Stickerless do give a slight advantage but few can actually use it. Same thing with pillowed 7x7.

 

[rubixwiz031]

All cubes should be legal as long as they follow the regulations. Stickerless do give a slight advantage but few can actually use it. Same thing with pillowed 7x7.

If stickerless and pillowed have the same "quantity" of advantage, then why are sticklerss's banned but not pillowed?

 

[Isaac Paurus]

If stickerless and pillowed have the same "quantity" of advantage, then why are sticklerss's banned but not pillowed?

That's what we all wanna know.

 

[Ranzha]

If stickerless and pillowed have the same "quantity" of advantage, then why are sticklerss's banned but not pillowed?

You can't quantify it.

 

[InfiniCuber]

If stickerless and pillowed have the same "quantity" of advantage, then why are sticklerss's banned but not pillowed?

Like I said earlier, it really wouldn't matter. It is up to the cuber to decide the advantage he wants, just like lubing a cube with something, or choosing a brand or shape of a cube.

 

[lex]

Split the event into two.

7x7 Cubic
7x7 Pillowed

 

[InfiniCuber]

Split the event into two.

7x7 Cubic
7x7 Pillowed

Just,....no. Then they would have to split like virtually all the events into pillowed and cubic. They might as well have 3x3 Stickered and 3x3 stickerless. That i believe is unethical. Read my last long post...

 

[reThinking the Cube]

If stickerless and pillowed have the same "quantity" of advantage, then why are sticklerss's banned but not pillowed?

Stickerless are being banned because they hurt Cubesmith sticker sales. Pillowed 7x7 are being allowed because it pleases V-cube, and allowing them doesn't hurt Cubesmith sticker sales. Protecting financial interests is why some things are banned for the same reasons that others are not. The WCA, Cubesmith and some mods on this site are in bed together with all of this. If you don't believe me, just watch how long it takes for this post to disappear. Remember this, because they do not want you to know.

 

[maggot]

lol at "soon to be deleted post"

if vcubes would have produced a non pillowed v-7 with the extended edges, most cubers would have have the non pillowed version over a pillowed version. i wonder why they would have chosen the cubic one. if you get an advantage for it being pillowed, why would the cuber use the non pillowed version? being pillowed is a novelty, not an advantage.

 

[Tim Major]

They shouldn't be banned because all this time they have been giving an advantage, so the previous world records would have to be erased/archived. The stickerless cubes didn't actually give an advantage in BLD, so no record has been set because of them. Removing them for consistency's sake was fine. However these 777s have been used for years, so removing them would be unfair. IF we were making 777 an official event today, we would make cubic the only option. However, 777 must remain an exception.

 

[tx789]

so the previous world records would have to be erased/archived.

All the world records then

 

[qqwref]

They shouldn't be banned because all this time they have been giving an advantage, so the previous world records would have to be erased/archived.

9i3) If the regulations for an event are changed, then the old regional records stand until they are broken under the new regulations.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Are all WR's with pillowed? If they are, banning pillowed is unfair.

 

[MaeLSTRoM]

Ok, There's something I don't get about this.
People want to ban the V-7 because it's pillowed and gives you an advantage...
But it's still comp legal, so if it bothers you that much, go and buy a V-7. No-one is forcing you to be at a "disadvantage" by using an SS.
Personally, I think that there isn't really much difference between them, other than the SS is better for people with bigger hands, and the V-7 for those with smaller.

 

[tim]

I keep seeing stickerless cubes being mentioned as a comparison. But what about the pillowed V-Cube 2? That one is not competition legal.