Should we ban pillowed 7x7x7s?

[uniacto]

No, they shouldn't (in my opinion). I feel that coloured cubes should not be banned for BLD also. To be fair, I say they should not be banned at all, but i do see the reasoning behind the illegality. To me the banning of coloured cubes for BLD solving is just away for the WCA to tidy up any confusion that smaller competitions may have. So, in my opinion, no they shouldn't ban the pillowed cubes, neither should they ban coloured cubes for BLD.

You don't really need to bring that up. This isn't about colored cubes for BLD, this is a thread about 7x7's.

Imo, pillowed 7x7s should be banned when enough people have cubic 7x7s.

 

[mycube]

You don't really need to bring that up. This isn't about colored cubes for BLD, this is a thread about 7x7's.

Imo, pillowed 7x7s should be banned when enough people have cubic 7x7s.

What is enough? Tell me.

 

[ottozing]

I think they should be banned for the exact same reasons that the stickerless cubes were banned. The advantage may be slight, but it's an advantage none the less. And consistency in the rules is always a good thing.

 

[JasonK]

If it were up to me, I'd get rid of 7x7 entirely. It takes too long and doesn't add anything to the bigcube concept. But realistically that's not gonna happen

As far as pillowed cubes go, it seems pretty clear to me that the current rules don't make sense. The WCA seems to care about consistency in the regulations, and banning all pillowed cubes other than 7x7 is inconsistent.

 

[tx789]

I don't really care but it shouldn't because
1. V cubes will have a fit (probably worse than ever seen before)
2. People were happy too have a cubic 7x7 and improved due to the corners being square
3. It been legal so long (I know it was the only option)

 

[ducttapecuber]

I think they should be banned for the exact same reasons that the stickerless cubes were banned. The advantage may be slight, but it's an advantage none the less. And consistency in the rules is always a good thing.

When are we going to stop banning everything that has an advantage? If we keep this up any cube with a slight advantage will be banned. When are we going to draW that line? Soon we will be banning everything with an advantage. Will we say: "half brights help with recognition. That is an advantage, ban them" or will we say"that cube is lubricated that gives an advantage, we can't lubricate all our cubes now" my question is where do we draw the line?

 

[GabeCubed]

My opinion: Don't ban. Every single person who has a pillowed 7x7x7 will have to spend some extra money to get a cubic 7x7x7 that was made after the V-Cube and it copies the same design. So what about consistency? Not everything has to consistent. If you do ban it, you might as well get rid of the event.

 

[ducttapecuber]

Here is a video I made of this topic:

 

[Przemek Kaleta]

NO.

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

When are we going to stop banning everything that has an advantage? If we keep this up any cube with a slight advantage will be banned. When are we going to draW that line? Soon we will be banning everything with an advantage. Will we say: "half brights help with recognition. That is an advantage, ban them" or will we say"that cube is lubricated that gives an advantage, we can't lubricate all our cubes now" my question is where do we draw the line?

I get the idea, but you need to be careful of following the slippery slope argument when in a serious discussion. It just might be possible that the WCA, as reasonable human beings, can discern where to draw that line. It's a fallacy to assume that they never will draw that line.

 

[Ton]

I suggest people start talking to WCA delegates at competitions, it has no point in discussing it on this forum . WCA facilitates cubers and regulates cubing in general, so if you have feedback , contact the WCA delegate of your country

 

[brunovervoort]

the event itself should be removed

haha lol

 

[JonnyWhoopes]

I suggest people start talking to WCA delegates at competitions, it has no point in discussing it on this forum . WCA facilitates cubers and regulates cubing in general, so if you have feedback , contact the WCA delegate of your country

I agree with everything in this post except the bolded section. Discussion always has a point, as long as it is kept civil and rational. However, you're right, it doesn't change any policy of the WCA.

 

[Kirjava]

I suggest people start talking to WCA delegates at competitions, it has no point in discussing it on this forum . WCA facilitates cubers and regulates cubing in general, so if you have feedback , contact the WCA delegate of your country

Uh, what.

Polls like this are a great way to gauge the community's reaction to an issue.

For most, discussing an issue with a delegate at a competition is something that happens once a year or less, with verbal communication being a lossy transfer format.

Here we are allowed to collaborate and discuss ideas in an organised manner with people from all over the world.

We have always done it this way, as as I have recently described it has been very successful.

Why does the WCA have a forum for giving feedback if it doesn't want us to discuss things online? What you are saying makes little sense and it feels like an attempt to ignore the issue.

 

[~Adam~]

Yes, it should be banned. It shouldn't have been made legal in the 1st place IMO.

I would just like to clarify that I know there was no alternative for several years.
IMO 7x7 shouldn't have been given an event until a cubic version was available if at all.

edit - it seems as though the only reason to allow pillowed 7x7s is that people own them.
That isn't a good enough reason in my eyes.

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

it seems as though the only reason to allow pillowed 7x7s is that people own them.
That isn't a good enough reason in my eyes.

You don't think we should consider whether or not something is practical for many cubers when talking about changing a rule which affects many cubers? Seems silly to me.

 

[tx789]

One thing
When scrambled you can't see the left and right faces colours that well and same people find the corner hard to grip and have their finger slip off causing a lower tips and slower time


When your stickers are peeling slighty it gives an anvanage

 

[Erik]

Eric pls
Just tell me more about how wca listen to the community, I see only "We did this and You have to deal with it"
or

I see something like "I know better about every single event than You, so why are You still discussing about it?"

I think that it is nonsense as to ban pillowed 7x7 as to ban colored cubes for blind. But if wca have that sux rulez, they will have to change just to make better "sake of consistency".

How hard is it to spell a 4 letter name correctly?

I think they can listen a bit better sometimes, but they do listen! (Kirjava pointed out 2 examples, I could name some more). If you think they don't listen to the community, why do you post here? Nothing will change anyway.

 

[ducttapecuber]

I get the idea, but you need to be careful of following the slippery slope argument when in a serious discussion. It just might be possible that the WCA, as reasonable human beings, can discern where to draw that line. It's a fallacy to assume that they never will draw that line.

I get what you are saying. It is not the wca delegates that I am worried about it is the community. A major reason why the possible banning of pillowed 7x7's even came up is the fact that stickerless cube were banned. If we keep banning things more things will be brought up with a supposed "advantage" and they will be banned, this created a domino effect. My question only is when do we stop letting the dominos fall down?

 

[Michael Womack]

The pillowed 7x7 was revolutionary at the time it was made. As what Erno Rubik Sayed "Ther will be no cubes with more layers then 5" but in 2007 Greek engener Mr. Verdes proved to Proff. Rubik that there can be a 6x6-11x11. But with the pillowness of the 7x7 made it so that it would be stable. Also think about all of the cubers who have the pillowed 7x7 and haven't already bought the SS 7x7 to the ones who have the SS 7x7 also to the ones who have both. Also without the help of the pillowed 7x7 the SS 7x7 would never have been made.
Take a look at this video it will clearafy allot of stuff thanks to Tony Fisher for making the video.