Should I learn Roux?

[HiroshiCubes]

Hello Everybody. I am a cuber that uses cfop that is thinking of using roux after watching Indonesian Cuber Fahmi Aulia Rachman's Solves.
It seems to me that Roux is less complicated and isn't that hard.

 

[turtwig]

Roux is not hard to learn so there's no reason why you shouldn't learn it. Switching to Roux from CFOP is another question, which would depend on how much you like its feel after you have learned it. If you are trying to be good at OH, my personal opinion is that Roux is better than CFOP (based on the overrepresentation of Roux solvers among the top OH ranks), although the difference is small.

 

[quanloh]

I would say try it. If you have learnt 2 look OLL and 2 look PLL, the initial learning progress is actually pretty easy.
You can focus on adapting to a very free version of F2L as your First block and second block,
and for the last six edge you need to learn slightly more focus, but not too hard, I would say it actually more intuitive than intuitive F2L.
and for CMLL, you can just use the 2nd look of OLL (which orientated the 4 top corners) and the 1st look of PLL (which permutate the 4 top corners) at the beginning, then change to proper CMLL alg when you are comfortable.

 

[HiroshiCubes]

I would say try it. If you have learnt 2 look OLL and 2 look PLL, the initial learning progress is actually pretty easy.
You can focus on adapting to a very free version of F2L as your First block and second block,
and for the last six edge you need to learn slightly more focus, but not too hard, I would say it actually more intuitive than intuitive F2L.
and for CMLL, you can just use the 2nd look of OLL (which orientated the 4 top corners) and the 1st look of PLL (which permutate the 4 top corners) at the beginning, then change to proper CMLL alg when you are comfortable.

Thank you for your opinion. I have tried Roux before and will be trying it soon in some CSTimer Solves.

 

[MasonCubing]

Sure, try it. Dont see any harm in it

 

[HiroshiCubes]

Sure, try it. Dont see any harm in it

Alright, ill try it, i might post the ao5 soon

 

[Isaac VM]

As a rouxer myself I would say go for it, learn roux, even if you don't plan to switch to roux you will gain a lot from learning a new method.
At first go for slow solves and try to blockbuild in non conventional ways, explore new ways to form pairs with different fingertricks.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

Should I learn Roux?

ye.

 

[ProStar]

I’d highly recommend learning Roux and even practicing it a little bit. Whether you plan to switch or not, being familiar with different methods is super helpful, and a method like Roux gives you good intuitive knowledge of how the cube works.

Roux is also comparable to CFOP in speedsolving, so if you decide you really like it and are willing to go through the switching process, then I’d recommend it. CFOP is also a very good method though, so don’t feel obligated to switch your main method. It’s complete personal preference.

 

[ruffleduck]

"Should I learn the best method?"

 

[gsingh]

"Should I learn one of the best methods?"

 

[ruffleduck]

Sorry, but even as a ZZ/CFOP solver I'm completely convinced Roux is just simply better. Although, F2L-based methods are still quite viable and probably easier. I would definitely suggest learning Roux. If it aligns with your skill set, you get the privilege of reaping the fruits of the best method.

 

[gsingh]

Sorry, but even as a ZZ/CFOP solver I'm completely convinced Roux is just simply better. Although, F2L-based methods are still quite viable and probably easier. I would definitely suggest learning Roux. If it aligns with your skill set, you get the privilege of reaping the fruits of the best method.

I do agree everyone should learn Roux and try it out, but as look ahead is a bit worse and it's less ergonomic, I can't say it's 100% better than CFOP.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

Sorry, but even as a ZZ/CFOP solver I'm completely convinced Roux is just simply better. Although, F2L-based methods are still quite viable and probably easier. I would definitely suggest learning Roux. If it aligns with your skill set, you get the privilege of reaping the fruits of the best method.

I agree with you that roux is amazing... but it's complicated to title it as "the best method". I believe that "the best method" (at least currently) is relative and depends on the person profile.
even if one method were really OO, one person could solve faster with other no matter how hard they try
some people are faster with roux and other with cfop or other, I believe that the best method for a person depends on a series of factors such as bias to intuition, block building or algs. each person brain works differently
but yeah learning roux is a great idea and probably he can be faster using it
in my case I don't see myself being faster at roux after using cfop for such a long time.
one day I may practice roux to drop my averages with it because I find the method super fun

 

[ProStar]

Sorry, but even as a ZZ/CFOP solver I'm completely convinced Roux is just simply better. Although, F2L-based methods are still quite viable and probably easier. I would definitely suggest learning Roux. If it aligns with your skill set, you get the privilege of reaping the fruits of the best method.

There is exactly zero objective evidence that conclusively proves that Roux is better than CFOP. There is also no evidence to 100% prove that CFOP is better than Roux

 

[Thom S.]

You can focus on adapting to a very free version of F2L as your First block and second block,

This might be fine while still learning what Roux even is but keep in Mind that approaching First block like F2L but spicier will actively hinder you.
I am talking here about this being fine for your first 20-30 solves but my recommendation is watching some reconstructions.
There are some Wide-u, Wide-b, S Slice tricks(and many more) that one wouldn't think of coming from F2l.

But, to answer the question. Absolutely. Give it a serious try and then feel which method you like more.

 

[HiroshiCubes]

This might be fine while still learning what Roux even is but keep in Mind that approaching First block like F2L but spicier will actively hinder you.
I am talking here about this being fine for your first 20-30 solves but my recommendation is watching some reconstructions.
There are some Wide-u, Wide-b, S Slice tricks(and many more) that one wouldn't think of coming from F2l.

But, to answer the question. Absolutely. Give it a serious try and then feel which method you like more.

Thanks Thom!

 

[a_cuber04]

These are some pretty interesting videos that may help from J Perm and Critical Cubing back in the day.

 

[HiroshiCubes]

Day 1, My best solve with roux is 21 seconds.. But I am understanding the method and might practice on ROUX more then my CFOP.

 

[abunickabhi]

Day 1, My best solve with roux is 21 seconds.. But I am understanding the method and might practice on ROUX more then my CFOP.

Nice, I am using Roux since 2016.

Try to turn slow and introspect. It will help you increase your lookahead and solve process understanding.