Should +2's be switched to DNF's officially?

[cringeycuber101]

yeah I agree. Ijust think it should be a plus 4.

 

[carcass]

That would work as well.

 

[cringeycuber101]

my friend was gonna get a sub 12 in comp . H perm . DNF

 

[carcass]

That is also a good idea. Just DNF's can make your average of 5 in last place, and that shouldn't happen.

 

[BenChristman1]

Do you mean that because Roux users use M moves at the end they are more likely to DNF?

 

[carcass]

Yes, I know from watching Kian Mansour's competition solves that they are far more likely to DNF.

 

[BenChristman1]

I use CFOP and I use M moves for H, Z, and both U perms.

 

[OreKehStrah]

I use CFOP and I use M moves for H, Z, and both U perms.

That’s only when you get EPLL. Roux users use M moves every solve

 

[carcass]

Me too, I just see that h perms are as rare as a pll skip, z perms are 1/42, but yeah, u perms may be the only exception.

That’s only when you get EPLL. Roux users use M moves every solve

I agree with that.

 

[BenChristman1]

That’s only when you get EPLL. Roux users use M moves every solve

I don't know any G-perms, so I do a T-perm then a U-perm, so for me personally, the chances are a lot greater.

 

[carcass]

Oh... Well then that adds more reason to change the rule in my opinion. BTW, BrodytheCuber has a video on recognizing G perms that might help.

 

[ProStar]

This is the same argument about turning the WCA to STM, only with a slightly different punishment. The same problems still apply

 

[carcass]

Even if this has already been discussed... do you think the +2 rule should be changed for Roux users?

 

[tx789]

+2 should not change allowings slice moves to count as one move affect FMC too and leads to potential +2s that are hard to judge.

 

[PetrusQuber]

5/7 of my solves finish with M moves, I think we just need to be a bit more careful, I’ve only ever DNFed when I either get a bad solve and rage, or got too excited with a solve and missed out on doing a move. I think this rule is just a con of a method/last layer system, and there isn’t really any point getting the WCA to change their regulations to fit a certain method/system.

 

[Kit Clement]

If we want to be "method neutral" for penalties, I've advocated for eliminating misalignment +2s entirely for a long time. I don't feel particularly strongly about this as I used to, as people have convinced me that there are a couple good reasons for allowing them:

• Dropping the cube is part of stopping the timer, which involves some risk but the time saved by doing this is worth the risk. We shouldn't drastically change how people stop the timer by making this even riskier.
• Somewhat related, in MBLD, it is very common to place cubes as solved, then have them stack on top of each other and potentially fall, causing misalignments. It seems really harsh to DNF cubes for this reason.

Any misalignment rules for slice moves are very difficult to rule, for reasons I don't feel like reposting a fourth time. A new, higher time penalty for two moves along the same axis is actually easy to adjudicate while still using OBTM and not STM. However, from what I understand, the primary motivation for misalignments is not to help people who did not solve the cube, but to give leniency to the cases I've mentioned above. It has a side effect of helping people who struggle to AUF in CFOP, but personally, this is an unfortunate consequence of the way the penalty works. This is why I've advocated for getting rid of these arbitrary penalties, but I know it will never happen. I don't think it's a good thing to introduce even more arbitrary penalties than we already have.

 

[Cody_Caston]

Tbh i recon +2s should be dnfs so it forces us to make sure the cube is solved completely. (My opinion stands out)

 

[carcass]

Tbh i recon +2s should be dnfs so it forces us to make sure the cube is solved completely. (My opinion stands out)

I see where you are coming from. I just thought it might be a good idea, and Kit Clement also has a very good point. So another thought is that time penalties can be different for some events, maybe +1 on 2x2, +2 on 3x3, and so on. Another thing about time penalties is that any mistake on clock is a DNF, and that could be changed, but it would be hard to judge.