zmikecuber
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great evidence bro
Religion?
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great evidence bro
PatrickJameson
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Yes, this is what you believe. My question was, what makes that belief more correct than others?
There are people just like you who believe a similar story with a similar book written during a similar time. They believe this just as strongly, if not stronger than you believe that your god came down through his son's body and created Christianity. What makes your's correct and their's wrong?
And I am not initially denying anything at the moment. I'm just asking that question.
ok sorry, I probably talked your ear off... hahaa!pretty obvious Im a "religious nut". ;D
No worries
.Chapuunka
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I think with religion, it's important to not just look around and say, "Oh, I like this system of beliefs, it's convenient for me, so this is what I believe." There has to be one absolute truth; to say all religions are correct or different paths to the same destination is logically unsound. So instead of just going with your feelings and molding things to your point of view, you should be looking for the truth...
CubeLTD
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The poll options are so funny.
zmikecuber
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well first of all, its not just MY opinion. its the Catholic Church, which has existed for a VERY long time.
the historical parts of the bible claim to be written by eye witness writers.
how do we know any history? we find that somebody wrote it down... we find things which prove this.
how do we know any history for sure? I guess we dont know it for sure, but I dont see anybody here claiming that Alexander the Great in reality never existed...
EDIT: sorry for the caps locks... I know I hate it when people do that too.... heh heh
bluecloe45
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unitarian-jew
PatrickJameson
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We typically piece together history through archaeological evidence. That could mean old books or ruins or anything else that could lead us in a decent direction of evidence.
Regardless, you haven't separated your religion/church's belief from other similar religions'/churches' beliefs. Do you know what I mean? The Koran, Torah, and most other religious writings have similar evidence to that which you describe above. What makes your religion/church's belief MORE believable than other religions and churches?
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ZamHalen
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Truthfully that says little and in all honesty that's an arrogant assumption to make. You're basically saying since I'm not sure you must be right.
You misinterpreted what I was saying there I was referring to my idea of heaven not directly to religion.Also I must mention that your example is a little bit extreme.
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collinbxyz
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Most other religions have been around for an EVEN LONGER time...
I am not doubting this next part, but how do you know this?
Find things that prove what? That people learn history from others who wrote stuff down? Isn't that obvious??? You know we find out about history from so many other things too...
That's an awful comparison. I don't see anyone here claiming that Alexander the Great existed... A god and the universe compared to a king/story.
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SpeedSolve
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Weston
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If none of the religions have convincing evidence of anything, it would be most reasonable to reject all of them.
How is that arrogant?
esquimalt1
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What would a God make it so that in order to not burn in hell, you must accept the teachings of some book written 2,000 years ago?
If the God expects people to worship it, it should reveal itself so that there's no need to have believe in something that there's not a shred of evidence for.
If the God expects people to worship it, it should reveal itself so that there's no need to have believe in something that there's not a shred of evidence for.
PatrickJameson
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Absolutes are usually terrible in these types of arguments.
Weston
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Yes, but that was just a response to him saying that no religion is sure of anything.
ZamHalen
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The arrogance doesn't lie in the evidence, it stems from the argument that your ideas must be correct due to assumption.
Weston
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Due to an assumption that you made...
collinbxyz
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You're saying that there's more proof that there is a god, than there isn't? Think realistically. All the proof points to no god existing. Science proved how the universe began. No god in that anymore. We also know that there are trillions of other stars and planets out there, making us NOT the center of the universe, like people used to believe, suggesting less proof (if any at all now) that a god exists. So there is soooo much more proof that a god doesn't exist, than one does. So why not make that assumption?
PatrickJameson
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Well, *ehm*, they're working on it.
Also chill bros, threads get locked when things get uncivilized. Just saying.
collinbxyz
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Fine, for the most part. But I believe there are a few theories for how the big bang started that DONT involve religion.
emolover
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You know what's funny to think of yet in a way plausible?
Is that Moses the writer of the 5 books of the Torah and lead the Jews to the promise lands, could have consumed something in which made him hallucinate those giving him this visions of the promise lands. After repeated ingestion of said hallucimnogenic substance his mind lost sense if reality thus leading him to these statements and ideas about god and religion.
Im not saying that happened, I am just saying that could be where Judaism, Christianity, and Islam came from making it a big load of ********. Again I am not saying that happened, I'm am just saying that is not an impossibility.
Is that Moses the writer of the 5 books of the Torah and lead the Jews to the promise lands, could have consumed something in which made him hallucinate those giving him this visions of the promise lands. After repeated ingestion of said hallucimnogenic substance his mind lost sense if reality thus leading him to these statements and ideas about god and religion.
Im not saying that happened, I am just saying that could be where Judaism, Christianity, and Islam came from making it a big load of ********. Again I am not saying that happened, I'm am just saying that is not an impossibility.
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