Regretting over learning F2L algorithms

[cuber576]

Is there any hope for me to get faster (sub 20) because I learnt all 41 F2L cases and currently average about 30 seconds. I just finished memorizing yesterday and after reading all the posts and threads on this forum, I feel that I wasted my time memorizing the algs when one can do it intuitively. Or is there a chance that one would still understand the cube as someone who solves the F2l intuitively and able to look-ahead and stuff liike that ?:fp

 

[joey]

Yes.

 

[The Bloody Talon]

learning f2l intuitively is good... and learning the f2l cases by memorizing is good also..
i learned the f2l intuitively, and because of that, i do more turns than other cubers who memorized the f2l..
that why i'm going to memorize some better f2l algs..
and for your case, you just have to do more solves to have a better look aheads and other stuffs like that..

 

[ariasamie]

Usually, people will say to learn F2L completely intuitively. That means you don't learn any algs, you simply figure out how the cases work for yourself. I have always been against this approach for one reason: move count. Improving your F2L has a lot to do with reducing your move count, and I have found that people who learn F2L intuitively more often that not will waste a lot of moves. For this reason, I recommend learning F2L by learning a list of algorithms.

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Don't worry. Just keep practicing. people usually change the intuitive algorithms to faster ones by memorizing new algorithms.

 

[Joël]

Yes.

This.

 

[Chrish]

This.

That.

OP: There's no harm in learning agl f2l cases.

 

[Sa967St]

I learned F2L by algs.
As long as you understand how the algs work there's nothing to regret.

 

[flan]

I learned the algs Dont worry! Maybe it set me back a bit but over time you will notice what the algorithms are doing and they will become intuetive to you. Then you can start to efficiently make use of empty slots and get good look ahead. That said I do only average about 24 :|

 

[Stefan]

Understanding is overrated. And I blame mine for watching the pieces I'm currently solving rather than the next ones.

 

[MichaelErskine]

I feel that I wasted my time memorizing the algs when one can do it intuitively.

You'll get over it.

 

[oll+phase+sync]

... Then you can start to efficiently make use of empty slots...

It always makes me cry that the corner and edge I spot takes me so much moves to place, the more it makes me happy if i can use a shortcut.
And some shortcuts I only can use because I learned the algorithms.

But I feel that most users on this forum would tell me, it's more importend to prevent bad cases by proper look ahead instead of knowing fancy shortcuts ... I'm in fact not the one to judge.

 

[ravenguild08]

Understanding is overrated. And I blame mine for watching the pieces I'm currently solving rather than the next ones.

I actually find this true too. I obsess over the pieces I'm currently moving while building the cross instead of relying on muscle memory. Punishment for self-teaching F2L before realizing its value.

 

[blakedacuber]

yes

if i was in your shoes i would learn f2l intuitively and prctice it abit and combine them to wich ever way works faster for the particular case

 

[Joël]

Reminds me of this.

 

[izovire]

I also learned all of the F2L Algs first... then over the past year I find new tricks to F2L all the time, intuitively... Did I find it a waste of time and effort? Not really, I also agree that you need to practice more look ahead... and you'll be sub-20 in no time (maybe)

 

[frogmanson]

Algorithms are better than intuitive ;P, wait until you get to the more non-intuitive F2L algs (at least in my case), since I use a lot of double layer turns and F moves in F2L (and those are less intuitive for me). Look at Macky's advanced F2L for more of what I'm talking about.

 

[Kirjava]

Reminds me of this.

Johannes made a great post in that topic.

My approach to F2L is intuition. After learning Petrus first, solving pairs is beyond obvious. However, at this point I'm still able to learn from 'algs' and find new techniques that others have shown me.

Even with pure intuitive solving there are cases that are worthy of analysis.

With algorithm based solving, you only know a subset of the F2L cases. (Just the pairs)

 

[Arkwell]

I'm willing to bet most of the top Asian Cubers learned their Algs. The advantage? They learn an Alg, see what pieces move with said Alg and what don't. Move on to the next and so on. Doing it this way means learning the most efficient way to do any Alg along with how the other pieces move or don't move with any Alg. Learn an Alg, practice with your eyes closed knowing the Alg and how the other pieces move and NOW instead of focusing on the Alg you're doing you can LOOK AHEAD to the next Alg. Beats intuitively looking at the Alg you're doing every time! I think it's the main reason these young Cubers are so good at doing blind F2Ls. They were taught the most efficient Algs at a young age and how said Algs effect the other pieces which gives them the advantage over 'Intuitive Algs'. I started off Intuitive and I noticed when I looking at Alg Sheets or Reconstructions my Algs were on average 2 to sometimes 4 moves more than all of the top Cubers. Most important thing: Don't give up!!!

 

[Garf]

I'm willing to bet most of the top Asian Cubers learned their Algs. The advantage? They learn an Alg, see what pieces move with said Alg and what don't. Move on to the next and so on. Doing it this way means learning the most efficient way to do any Alg along with how the other pieces move or don't move with any Alg. Learn an Alg, practice with your eyes closed knowing the Alg and how the other pieces move and NOW instead of focusing on the Alg you're doing you can LOOK AHEAD to the next Alg. Beats intuitively looking at the Alg you're doing every time! I think it's the main reason these young Cubers are so good at doing blind F2Ls. They were taught the most efficient Algs at a young age and how said Algs effect the other pieces which gives them the advantage over 'Intuitive Algs'. I started off Intuitive and I noticed when I looking at Alg Sheets or Reconstructions my Algs were on average 2 to sometimes 4 moves more than all of the top Cubers. Most important thing: Don't give up!!!

Yeah, but most people won’t think of this. When they think of algs when learning F2L, they will think of the moves and cases, not how the pieces move. That’s why people recommend to learn intuitive F2L and understand the pieces and cases in a rudimentary way before moving on to complex solutions that affect less pieces on the cube.

 

[espeed]

If you understad how pieces move look ahead is also better