(Re-)considering The Limits

[BrainOfSweden]

Does it have to be a LL skip?

I guess no, so let me re-phrase that. The records will be broken again for sure, but when one of the top cubers get a LL skip during comp, it's going to be pretty damn impossible to beat the single.

 

[YddEd]

I guess no, so let me re-phrase that. The records will be broken again for sure, but when one of the top cubers get a LL skip during comp, it's going to be pretty damn impossible to beat the single.

So... Alexander Lau gets a LL skip using Roux. Cool.
if he gets a wr

 

[Patrick M]

We really just need to wait for one of the top cubers to get a LL skip during comp, someday it should happen, and would inevitably break the 5.55

I dont want something like that...i wish the wr could keep getting broken but now i know that sounds ridiculous

Its awesome when it gets broken.

Also arent zz users like 8 times more likely to get ll skip? Maybe someone will do that xD?

 

[EMI]

I guess no, so let me re-phrase that. The records will be broken again for sure, but when one of the top cubers get a LL skip during comp, it's going to be pretty damn impossible to beat the single.

if the rest of the solve is really bad, why not

No seriously, it's a question of propability I guess. Even if someone gets a 4 seconds solve, there is still the possibility of an even luckier solve. That's what I like about speedcubing. There is no limit to it, as luck will always play a role (well, theoretically the limit is given through the at-least-four-moves scrambles rule, but such a thing won't ever happen on 3x3).

 

[BrainOfSweden]

So... Alexander Lau gets a LL skip using Roux. Cool.
if he gets a wr

God dammit. Last steps skip then, happy now?

 

[YddEd]

God dammit. Last steps skip then, happy now?

But then there are... jkjk I'm happy now

 

[BrainOfSweden]

But then there are... jkjk I'm happy now

What, zeroing?

 

[Kirjava]

God dammit. Last steps skip then, happy now?

It's still called a last layer skip in roux. The probability of it happening is 1/12.

 

[cubernya]

So... Alexander Lau gets a LL skip using Roux. Cool.
if he gets a wr

Is the M layer not a layer?

 

[AvGalen]

Is the M layer not a layer?

Is a slice of cheese a layer in a sandwich?

 

[waffle=ijm]

cheese is a layer of a sandwich that includes cheese.
so M is a layer in Roux.

 

[Dino]

cheese is a layer of a sandwich that includes cheese.

But what if you grate it?

 

[cubernya]

Is a slice of cheese a layer in a sandwich?

Yes?

Dino: If it's grated, then it's not sliced cheese

 

[Ninja Storm]

Yes?

Dino: If it's grated, then it's not sliced cheese

But say it was grated from sliced cheese. So now it's grated sliced cheese.

 

[waffle=ijm]

We also haven't considered if the person eating the sandwich was lactose intolerant or allergic to milk but the point of the cheese/method analogy is that to a specific sandwich there exist specific ingredients. Likewise, a method leaves the last layer to be M means that M is a layer.

 

[cubernya]

But say it was grated from sliced cheese. So now it's grated sliced cheese.

1. Who grates sliced cheese?
2. It's not sliced any more, it's grated

M is a layer /argument

 

[Hershey]

Have you considered roux?...
The roux method itself is somwhat about 40 moves. And the last steps are not very much optimized yet.. I see potential...

0_0 Erik was right!

limit of 8-9 sec...well seems a little bit humanly impossible at first...

Lol.

 

[Mike Hughey]

While we're on the subject of funny comments in this thread, how about this one:

I think rather then reconsidering the limits i think that it could be possible that we have reached the limits.
Slowly but surely there are longer periods of times between new records being set. A few years ago new records were set with each competition that came along. Now new records aren't as common. I think that it's accurate to say that the Speedcubing community as a whole has reached its limits with most of the puzzles out there. No doubt the single solve records will be broken, but there will eventually be a record that will blow the others away like a lucky sub-10 around 7 or 6.xx. However as far as averages (of 5 in this case) go it seems that the limits have been reached.

The whole start of this thread is now quite fun to read.

I think that it's accurate to say that the Speedcubing community as a whole has reached its limits with most of the puzzles out there.

Note that 10 days before this was written, the 2x2x2 average WR was 4.69, 4x4x4 average was 59.21, 5x5x5 average was 1:55, megaminx average WR was 1:28, pyraminx average was 8.46, square-1 average was 28.14, clock average was 9.74, 3x3x3 BLD single best was 1:28.82.

 

[Lchu613]

1. Who grates sliced cheese?
2. It's not sliced any more, it's grated

1. True dat
2. No, it's (grated(sliced(cheese)))+(grated(humanfingers))

 

[Rnewms]

Those limits are severely outdated. The 17 was before optimized algorithms. Fridrich did say that the limits are 10-12 seconds (look at her limits of speedcubing" page).

There's really no way to average more than 5 turns per second while during a CFOP solve. If you try to go faster, there's no way you can see the next pair in time.

So if you take that a CFOP solve is a little over 50 turns and a ZB solve is about 40, then 10 seconds/solve is really the limit. But ultimately, the most important factor is the cuber, not the system. Macky was heads and shoulders above everyone else for two years.

Oh my. With a 5tps limit, it seems the cube was an important factor.