Problems with teens

[Weston]

Hahaha, I just read all the posts and some of them are good.
Back to the first post, they aren't very good friends, now back to other posts.

I previously seen a post saying that the bible has stuff that has evidence.
Please give some examples, I'll give it a rebutle.
I'm going to give everyone ready this post a link, the best site I've ever seen on the topic of god.
Here you will find very strong evidence of gods absence.

http://godisimaginary.com/

Not only that, just listen to Thunderf00t on youtube. Hes incredible.

 

[qqwref]

Here's a link. One of many. Not as if it matters considering you can find links that argue the opposite. For the record, I never stated these numbers as being facts. I showed you my belief and you shot it down. You had every right to shoot it down just like you have every right to believe in what you want to believe. http://www.trueorigin.org/abio.asp

Hm, let's take a look at that article.
Jerry Bergman, Ph.D.. OK, sounds respectable enough...
© 1999 Creation Research Society. WAIT A MINUTE

I'm not gonna go actually read the article, but the fact that the number is so large pretty seems to me to say that something in the calculation was completely wrong. When I think of the idea of abiogenesis I imagine that it would have started essentially as soon as something that was more or less self-replicating was brought into existance. At that point it can reproduce and mutate and so on. So I guess the question is "what's the smallest molecule that can make more of itself" and the answer doesn't have to be a whole cell, just something simple along the lines of RNA or whatever. The whole idea behind building blocks of life is that they can build on each other, so once a basic one gets started off it can reproduce itself and add more on and so on. This whole process took something like a billion years anyway, so it's not like this stuff happens overnight - it's a long process, but not at all something that wouldn't happen.

 

[AndyRoo789]

@TS: Just ignore them, I'm sure there are some people who would still be your friend.

I don't believe in believing in anything. I don't like being told what to do, especially by people who refuse to accept evidence. I'm not going to try and stop other people though, as that just causes problems.

You have a point, I can't think of any religeon that provides good evidence, some one do tell if you have evidence!

There's no proof of any religion, that's why you need faith.

It's because they are idiots, that's why.

Being a kid might have something to do with it. See, kids don't really have religious beliefs. They are fed by other people (I won't go into that). You have to realise that kids are naturally idiots, it's not your fault. You are not an evil person, nor should they make you feel like one.

The best thing you can do is discuss this with adults (parents, teachers etc). They'll know how to deal with it.

Good luck

That was uncalled for.

No one will take you seriously if you use improper grammar.
Edit: Gah! Why do all the mods and experienced people use lmgtfy!? I got an infraction for that!
Double edit: That's funny, but lmgtfy = for me.

because with enough lmgtfy burdened on a person, it may teach somebody to research before they reply

But what if you've already done some research, and you want some help from the forums?


And everyone bashing nlcuber about correcting people's grammar, I agree what he's doing is not necessary, but so what?
I looked through the links someone gave of nlcuber repeatedly correcting people, and in none of them did the person get angry about being corrected.

Why are you getting mad about him correcting people?
It's not hurting anybody and he's not doing anything wrong.
Only reason I agree on is, if he only makes a correction, and doesn't contribute to the thread. That would be a waste of a post.

If you think about it, you're doing the same thing nlcuber is - being bothered by a little something someone said.

 

[Zane_C]

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Evolution is not a myth!!!!!!
There's proof, just look at the fossils of Homo Erectus, practically the same species with some slight variations.
All life on earth arose from the same origin.
3.9 billion years ago earth arose, no one knows how, but it did.
A theory is that life hitched a ride to earth on a comet.
Back then there were only single celled beings, about 2 billion years later they worked out they could have advantages if they accumulated, and so multiple cells worked together to form basic plants and created photosynthesis.

Around 500 million years ago, the earth experienced what is known as the cambrian explosion. Over about 80 million years large complex life got started. Sea creatures, insects and other oganisms emerged.

Millions of years later the dinosours came along, 65 million years ago they were wiped out by the Chixculub meteor.
Around 2 million years ago the first of human primates got going, when Africa dryed up we climbed down from the trees and started walking for food.
Modern humans (homo sapiens) arose around 200,000 years ago.

Here we are now.

All life is one, by that meaning we all derived from the same cells.
50% of the DNA in banana is identical to me and you.

thanks for reading

 

[bwatkins]

ZaneC---> I myself do not claim to be of any religion. This link you have provided has many flaws in it that i have found over the 5-10 mins i have spend reading it.

To begin it claims that "God is supposed to have incarnated himself as Jesus and he is supposed to have written the Bible."
http://godisimaginary.com/i49.htm

Anyone who has ever read any of the bible will know that GOD or JESUS did not write the bible but that there are 40 spiritually divine prophets that have recorded these events. In no way is GOD or JESUS the author of the bible.

Also, this site states in PROOF 1:
"What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not."

This is absurd. This sounds great and makes those who already have a tendency to NOT believe in god further solidify their views. It is however written in John 15:7 and Psalms 147:11 that:
"If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you."
and
"The Lord delights in those who fear [reverence] him, who put their hope in his unfailing love."

To begin, the first passage states that you must have given your life to God for him to answer your prayers. God is not the almighty creature who fixes EVERYONES problems, but rather rewards those who have become and established a relationship with him that he desires. To have a prayer answered you must have been forgiven of every sin, something that VERY FEW PEOPLE have had happen to them.

If one were to make a prayer as stated in Proof 1, they would be acting not in the holy way the Lord expects them took, and thus this prayer would obviously not be answered because of this. The second passage states that God loves those who fear him. For one to ask for such a bold thing, you would not embody this characteristic.

This website you have provided is great propaganda. To the uneducated, or the extremely biased(ly) educated it sounds like wonderful proof. Really all this site is doing is exploiting the bible by misinterpreting the underlying messages it posses.

To claim that this is the "the best site I've ever seen on the topic of god" all you are showing is that you have a very large knowledge of proving God inexistent, however a very small knowledge of what the bible truly embodies.

After all to make a true an educated informed decision, you must have equal knowlege of both parties, and i believe that this site is simply very fine craftsmanship to misinform the uneducated.

To clarify, i claim myself to no religion, or no set of religious beliefs. I feel as if it is too hard to prove the existence of God true or Flase, thus i remain skeptical and just enjoy trying to piece the puzzle together myself.

 

[Zane_C]

ZaneC---> I myself do not claim to be of any religion. This link you have provided has many flaws in it that i have found over the 5-10 mins i have spend reading it.

To begin it claims that "God is supposed to have incarnated himself as Jesus and he is supposed to have written the Bible."
http://godisimaginary.com/i49.htm

Anyone who has ever read any of the bible will know that GOD or JESUS did not write the bible but that there are 40 spiritually divine prophets that have recorded these events. In no way is GOD or JESUS the author of the bible.

Also, this site states in PROOF 1:
"What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not."

This is absurd. This sounds great and makes those who already have a tendency to NOT believe in god further solidify their views. It is however written in John 15:7 and Psalms 147:11 that:
"If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you."
and
"The Lord delights in those who fear [reverence] him, who put their hope in his unfailing love."

To begin, the first passage states that you must have given your life to God for him to answer your prayers. God is not the almighty creature who fixes EVERYONES problems, but rather rewards those who have become and established a relationship with him that he desires. To have a prayer answered you must have been forgiven of every sin, something that VERY FEW PEOPLE have had happen to them.

If one were to make a prayer as stated in Proof 1, they would be acting not in the holy way the Lord expects them took, and thus this prayer would obviously not be answered because of this. The second passage states that God loves those who fear him. For one to ask for such a bold thing, you would not embody this characteristic.

This website you have provided is great propaganda. To the uneducated, or the extremely biased(ly) educated it sounds like wonderful proof. Really all this site is doing is exploiting the bible by misinterpreting the underlying messages it posses.

To claim that this is the "the best site I've ever seen on the topic of god" all you are showing is that you have a very large knowledge of proving God inexistent, however a very small knowledge of what the bible truly embodies.

After all to make a true an educated informed decision, you must have equal knowlege of both parties, and i believe that this site is simply very fine craftsmanship to misinform the uneducated.

To clarify, i claim myself to no religion, or no set of religious beliefs. I feel as if it is too hard to prove the existence of God true or Flase, thus i remain skeptical and just enjoy trying to piece the puzzle together myself.

And that, is a good speech, very well done.

I agree, I havn't read the bible so my bible knowledge is very limited, but I do remember some stuff on the front page of the bible:
God made the bla bla bla, and he said "It was good" something along those lines anyway.

You seem to be saying that the site has flaws, what about the bible?

If you have to determine which is more legit:
The website, which has very few flaws,
or the Bible, nearly every word

What is more logical?

I'm sure the site has some flaws, but you will find more right then wrong.

In the end it all comes down to this:
A debate between Fact and Faith.

Again, which is more logical?
Proven facts? or faith with zero evidence?

For me, Fact beats Faith

 

[nitrocan]

So in school about to weeks ago everyone found out I was an atheist
Now everyone hates me
Why is this?

I wouldn't know for sure why that is, but maybe people don't think well of atheists where you live.
Well some people from my school think that I'm an atheist. They don't care at all. Actually some of my friends are atheists too.

Evolution is not a myth!!!!!!
...
thanks for reading

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz6IxZsLwlo

I mean it's too arrogant for people to call evolution a myth and a conspiracy.

I'm agnostic and yet accused (jokingly) of being an atheist by one of my friends who is Christian. I'm not religious, it's just how I am. In fact I worship George Carlin

Who doesn't?
I think I am an agnostic too, but it all boils down to "I'm not a theist".

 

[Escher]

Again, which is more logical?
Proven facts? or faith with zero evidence?

For me, Fact beats Faith

Oh sure, because the 'proven facts' we have disprove God... riiiiight...
And anyway, religious people claim that religious experiences show that there is a higher power. They also claim that the existence of religion in the first place, in almost every past and present society we know of, shows that we in general have some kind of natural capacity for it and that could have been intended by the 'Designer'.

 

[Weston]

Again, which is more logical?
Proven facts? or faith with zero evidence?

For me, Fact beats Faith

Oh sure, because the 'proven facts' we have disprove God... riiiiight...
And anyway, religious people claim that religious experiences show that there is a higher power. They also claim that the existence of religion in the first place, in almost every past and present society we know of, shows that we in general have some kind of natural capacity for it and that could have been intended by the 'Designer'.

Personal experience doesn't actually prove anything. While the experience might have been true, the interpretation of that experience may not have been. And why I think that so many societies have religions is that they couldn't find a way to explain things they didn't understand, so they used religion to fill that hole.

Thats just me though.

 

[Escher]

Personal experience doesn't actually prove anything. While the experience might have been true, the interpretation of that experience may not have been. And why I think that so many societies have religions is that they couldn't find a way to explain things they didn't understand, so they used religion to fill that hole.

Thats just me though.

Well yeah, of course both of those are perfectly good and rational explanations
What I'm trying to say is that no one party has the right to say either definitely does or doesn't exist. Both need to accept that neither can prove each other wrong, and this Zane guy needs to know that there are no facts which disprove God. Obviously there are anachronisms in the Bible and other religious texts, but that isn't the point...

 

[Weston]

Personal experience doesn't actually prove anything. While the experience might have been true, the interpretation of that experience may not have been. And why I think that so many societies have religions is that they couldn't find a way to explain things they didn't understand, so they used religion to fill that hole.

Thats just me though.

Well yeah, of course both of those are perfectly good and rational explanations
What I'm trying to say is that no one party has the right to say either definitely does or doesn't exist. Both need to accept that neither can prove each other wrong, and this Zane guy needs to know that there are no facts which disprove God. Obviously there are anachronisms in the Bible and other religious texts, but that isn't the point...

Its true that it can't really be proven definitely. But there is quite a bit of stuff that makes it seem unreasonable and the existence of a god unlikely.

I feel like this Zane guy has been itching for a religious discussion for a while and now that its finally on the forum, he's going crazy.

 

[Zane_C]

Lol, I just like to get involved thats all
I have been in a discussion like this before and got banned for a short time so I'm not going to say much more

By the way, just call me Zane instead of "that Zane guy", I'm sure we can all get along

 

[Prodigy_X]

Hi everybody, i am new to this website and i have my own personal views about this discussion.

First of all, i have no religous background.
Second of all, i believe that everbody has there own opinions but you cannot deny the cold hard facts of life.
there is no such thing as god, reincarnation and so forth, if you have taken your time to read this thank you,
but for the mean time there is nothing that can prove god exists.
in light of this discussion something from the bible

“As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. [Proverbs 23:7]”

 

[Zane_C]

You think like me, I like your thinkin'

 

[nitrocan]

Hi everybody, i am new to this website and i have my own personal views about this discussion.

First of all, i have no religous background.
Second of all, i believe that everbody has there own opinions but you cannot deny the cold hard facts of life.
there is no such thing as god, reincarnation and so forth, if you have taken your time to read this thank you,
but for the mean time there is nothing that can prove god exists.
in light of this discussion something from the bible

“As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. [Proverbs 23:7]”

Although I partially share your opinions, you are just as plain and arrogant as the people you are opposing.
Want cold facts? Science is all about theories. You can never say "This is the ultimate truth, end of story". It seems to me that you are itching for a debate.

 

[Muesli]

If the universe is infinite, then there are an infinite number of worlds containing an infinite number of combinations of atoms. One was guaranteed to create what we know as life. It's no more of a coincidence that two hydrogens and an oxygen make water. It was bound to happen, no divine influence needed.

 

[PatrickJameson]

If the universe is infinite, then there are an infinite number of worlds containing an infinite number of combinations of atoms.

The universe is not infinite.

 

[Muesli]

If the universe is infinite, then there are an infinite number of worlds containing an infinite number of combinations of atoms.

The universe is not infinite.

Prove it. Nobody knows, and nobody can know.

 

[nitrocan]

If the universe is infinite, then there are an infinite number of worlds containing an infinite number of combinations of atoms. One was guaranteed to create what we know as life. It's no more of a coincidence that two hydrogens and an oxygen make water. It was bound to happen, no divine influence needed.

No life was guarantied, but that's the way it happened.

So actually you could say it was guaranteed

 

[Escher]

Its true that it can't really be proven definitely. But there is quite a bit of stuff that makes it seem unreasonable and the existence of a god unlikely.

I feel like this Zane guy has been itching for a religious discussion for a while and now that its finally on the forum, he's going crazy.

Yeah, I can tell

Perhaps that stuff makes it seem unlikely and unreasonable to you, but for somebody that has had convincing religious experiences, it might be completely beside the point.

I'm well aware that we might all have the same experiences and just label them differently, but I don't think it is that simple; what about people who convert from a completely atheist background to a religion? Were they just 'a bit religious' in the first place? Did they succumb to societal/social pressures? Did they realise they have a paralyzing fear of death and they wanted comfort?

I find the whole thing pretty interesting

First of all, i have no religous background.
Second of all, i believe that everbody has there own opinions but you cannot deny the cold hard facts of life.
there is no such thing as god, reincarnation and so forth, if you have taken your time to read this thank you,
but for the mean time there is nothing that can prove god exists.
in light of this discussion something from the bible

“As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. [Proverbs 23:7]”

So what you are saying is that there is "no such thing as God, reincarnation and so forth" and there is "nothing that can prove God exists", yet by the same logic you can't prove that there isn't a God or that there is no such thing as reincarnation.

I get extremely frustrated with this kind of 'opinion imperialism' that is present in both camps. Since the issue of existence is opinion it seems very arrogant to go around telling people that they are completely wrong.