One-Answer 2x2x2 Question Thread

[Hazel]

Errr what?

Well you can try CLL or VOP or similar and see what you like.

Or learn HD

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Or learn HD

What’s HD? And whats VOP? How fast can you achieve with them? Thanks

 

[Sue Doenim]

What’s HD? And whats VOP? How fast can you achieve with them? Thanks

VOP is a method where you solve 3/4 of a layer (your V), orient the remaining 5 pieces (O), and permute the remaining 5 pieces (P). HD (Higgs-Demars, named after the proposers) is sort of an upgrade to it, combining it's concepts with those of EG (it was originally propoed as EG-VOP). Invented by @Thermex and myself, and developed by @Neuro and @Shiv3r, You solve 3/4 of a face (not necessarily permuted), orient, and permute all. This has only 57 algs, around half of which are 6-7 moves or less. Eventually, you can learn a variant called HD-G (HD Guimond) where you intuitively solve the V and orientation simultaneously, resulting in very short and easily one looked solutions. Here's a link to a nice document.
https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_151019171318812&key=8670c166de72c25ff129368b0a87ae25&libId=j9rt5gbm01000957000DL8pmnit5h&loc=https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/conversations/vop-eg-name.95531/page-4&v=1&out=https://docs.google.com/document/d/14Er3Jl9AHy4es-6Sz9gU0RYgDmuBR1bFIUN-VThHAwc/edit?usp=sharing&ref=https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/conversations/vop-eg-name.95531/&title=VOP EG Name? | Page 4 | SpeedSolving Puzzles Community&txt=Here's the link again

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Thanks! Oh and is the Wuxia M the best 2x2 on the market these days? Wuxia M, Chuwen M, XingHen M, Or OP dayan?

 

[Cameron Ray]

Hello!

I have a MoYu TangPo and I am learning EG-1. But there is a problem, after executing the algorithm that finishes up the entire cube, I have an extra algorithm to do. It is SO annoying. I am holding the bottom bar in the back, and I am doing the algorithm correctly, I am doing it right off of the paper. Can someone help me avoid this?

 

[Ollie]

Hello!

I have a MoYu TangPo and I am learning EG-1. But there is a problem, after executing the algorithm that finishes up the entire cube, I have an extra algorithm to do. It is SO annoying. I am holding the bottom bar in the back, and I am doing the algorithm correctly, I am doing it right off of the paper. Can someone help me avoid this?

1. The algorithm could be wrong. Check the source, or try other algs on http://algdb.net/ and see if it's you or the alg.
2. If you must, you can also try https://alg.cubing.net/?puzzle=2x2x2 to examine the sequence move by move.

It could be you being a tit though. Consider all of these options.

 

[DGCubes]

Can you give some examples? You could just be doing them from the wrong angle/with the bar in the wrong place. Are you sure they're EG-1 algs and not EG-2 or CLL?

 

[Cameron Ray]

Can you give some examples? You could just be doing them from the wrong angle/with the bar in the wrong place. Are you sure they're EG-1 algs and not EG-2 or CLL?

Yeah sure!

For example, when I do an L Case, I do the algorithm as said. Then I end up with a random Ortega case it seems like.

Can you give some examples? You could just be doing them from the wrong angle/with the bar in the wrong place. Are you sure they're EG-1 algs and not EG-2 or CLL?

The website I am using is cyotheking's website btw. Not sure if that is an accurate one.

 

[DGCubes]

Yeah sure!

For example, when I do an L Case, I do the algorithm as said. Then I end up with a random Ortega case it seems like.

I can't really help with that info; I need a specific example (like before and after pictures of your cube and which algorithm you try to do).

The algs on Chris' website should work, by the way.

 

[Cameron Ray]

I can't really help with that info; I need a specific example (like before and after pictures of your cube and which algorithm you try to do).

The algs on Chris' website should work, by the way.

Solved the issue! Turns out the algorithms on Chris's website don't seem to work, however.

I found a website, http://algdb.net/

I tried out one of the algorithms and it worked!

Thanks for your help DGCubes!

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Its probably where the bar is held. Have you tried holding the bar in a differnt spot on Cyothekings website?

 

[Keebler17]

If we were to modify ortega a bit just to not care about orientation of the pieces on first layer, how many algorithms would it be to solve from any position like that? Orient both faces and permute both faces in one algorithm?

 

[WACWCA]

If we were to modify ortega a bit just to not care about orientation of the pieces on first layer, how many algorithms would it be to solve from any position like that? Orient both faces and permute both faces in one algorithm?

Not sure exactly, but it would be hilariously impractical

 

[Duncan Bannon]

After learning CLL and getting recoginzation down what to move on next.


Recognize CLL from any side
AUF after CLL
Work on layers (Mine are about 6.3 a piece)
Begin to learn 3-4 move layer to predict CLL

 

[WACWCA]

After learning CLL and getting recoginzation down what to move on next.


Recognize CLL from any side
AUF after CLL
Work on layers (Mine are about 6.3 a piece)
Begin to learn 3-4 move layer to predict CLL

Layers definitely

 

[Kumato]

I'm really sorry if someone asked this before, but I was not able to fond it.

What are the chances of getting a 4 move 2x2 solve?

Thank you!

 

[Sue Doenim]

The probability is 1 in 1989.

There are 3 674 160 states, 1 of which is solved, and 384 of which can be solved in 3 moves or less (these are excluded in official scrambles). 1847 states can be solved in 4 moves.
(3674160 - 385) / 1847 = 1989.05

From a few pages back in the probability thread.

 

[Kumato]

Thanks!!!

 

[1001010101001]

New method:
1. Sort your primary colour and its opposite
2. Sort another opposite set of colours using algset A
3. Sort the last opposite set of colours and solving a bar using algset B
4. Orient all which has ~30 algs

 

[1001010101001]

If we were to modify ortega a bit just to not care about orientation of the pieces on first layer, how many algorithms would it be to solve from any position like that? Orient both faces and permute both faces in one algorithm?

You're just trying to complicate the SOAP method.