mafergut
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Yeah, it's not that I think I'll improve a lot by learning some of those L2E algs but they will not hurt either. Of course I need to work on lookahead if I ever want to get close to 2min as some of you guys.
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muchacho
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Inspired by 6.44 ao100 average by Feliks I'm trying to finally get a sub-20 mo100... probably not going to make it today because I've just got a 44 seconds 10 solves ago, but the rest of the solves are fine. Ao5 PB so far: 16.097 (it was 16.465)
31960 13-nov-2016 9:55:14 00:14.047 R2 D' F2 R2 F2 D B2 D' F2 R2 U2 B U B2 F' D B R' U R2 U2
31959 13-nov-2016 9:54:34 00:18.462 F2 D' B2 D F2 L2 F2 U' F2 L2 U2 F' U R B' R B F2 D L F2 L
31958 13-nov-2016 9:53:53 00:14.478 D2 B2 U' L2 U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U' F R' D2 B' R' L' D U' F D L2
31957 13-nov-2016 9:53:14 00:19.806 R2 U F2 R2 U R2 L2 U2 B2 L2 D L' B R' B2 F U' F R' B F R2
31956 13-nov-2016 9:52:34 00:15.351 D2 F2 R2 F2 U L2 U' B2 D2 F2 U' B D2 B2 L B' R' U L2 F' L'
31960 13-nov-2016 9:55:14 00:14.047 R2 D' F2 R2 F2 D B2 D' F2 R2 U2 B U B2 F' D B R' U R2 U2
31959 13-nov-2016 9:54:34 00:18.462 F2 D' B2 D F2 L2 F2 U' F2 L2 U2 F' U R B' R B F2 D L F2 L
31958 13-nov-2016 9:53:53 00:14.478 D2 B2 U' L2 U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U' F R' D2 B' R' L' D U' F D L2
31957 13-nov-2016 9:53:14 00:19.806 R2 U F2 R2 U R2 L2 U2 B2 L2 D L' B R' B2 F U' F R' B F R2
31956 13-nov-2016 9:52:34 00:15.351 D2 F2 R2 F2 U L2 U' B2 D2 F2 U' B D2 B2 L B' R' U L2 F' L'
mark49152
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Thanks Richard. Habit I guess, when I'm thinking/recalling under time pressure, but I'm not aware I'm doing it.
Thanks Grzegorz. I still have to think a bit more between commutators than I do for one-piece-at-a-time methods. That's evident from my 3BLD video from UKC too. And I take more care not to ruin big cube solves at the final step
. But it's not hard. I'm pretty comfortable with corner comms now.Yes I wouldn't usually compare them that way and don't know how legitimate it is. This solve also had faster execution because of no parities.
Thanks Ben. Doing it officially is hard though. There are so few chances and it's harder to memo when putting oneself under pressure
. It would be nice to get a top 100 ranking but I'm happy as long as I'm improving and enjoying the event.
h2f
Premium Member
And I take more care not to ruin big cube solves at the final step
That's the same with me. The bigger cube is the bigger care is.
mark49152
Premium Member
My first sub-20 5BLD was ruined by twisting a corner the wrong way right at the endThat's the same with me. The bigger cube is the bigger care is.
pipkiksass
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@mark49152, that 4BLD solve is RIDICULOUSLY impressive. Having just learnt 4x4 sighted (just had my first sub-2 single, whoop), I couldn't even begin to imagine what must be going on in your brain to solve it blindfolded. I understand the theory of 3BLD, but still...
In other news, while waiting for my Chinese food last night there was a kid of about 11 with a Gans 3x3 who I reckon was about a 60s solver. He did 4 different OLLs one solve, and quite slowly. I resisted the urge to go over and show off, but almost wish I had!!
Just nice to see another cuber IRL, it's a first for me!
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In other news, while waiting for my Chinese food last night there was a kid of about 11 with a Gans 3x3 who I reckon was about a 60s solver. He did 4 different OLLs one solve, and quite slowly. I resisted the urge to go over and show off, but almost wish I had!!
Just nice to see another cuber IRL, it's a first for me!
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h2f
Premium Member
My first sub-20 5BLD was ruined by twisting a corner the wrong way right at the end
I know the feeling. Geuss why?
mafergut
Legend
Very nice Ao5, David. You're catching up half a second at a time. Your next PB Ao5 will be beating mine
I'm entering my last two weeks before I take my certification assessment at my company so I will be mostly missing for these couple of weeks. Hope I'll be back on December 1st
pglewis
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Just saw that the 4x4 in their Wu* series is being released. Must have.
pglewis
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I'm curious about the mechanics of other edge methods. I'm using Yau on 4x4 initially, that was kind of the direction I was instinctively heading myself before discovering it. With the amount of work for 5x5 centers I quickly found it restrictive trying to apply it there and pretty much figured out freeslice on my own. Specifically on 5x5, I've been solving my cross tredges first, and even solve the cross as I'm doing so, figuring it helps me to have the B face devoid of unsolved edges. My Google-fu is failing me for finding info on AvG or chain pairing.
One Wheel
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I learned Yau for 4x4, and liked it, so I've adapted it for 5 and 6. I solve two opposite centers first, and I like the freedom of not worrying about preserving centers while edge pairing, so I solve and place the first three cross edges I see in any order. Then I solve l4c, and freeslice to solve my last cross edge, which depending on orientation I prefer to insert from FR with R U R U' R2 or BR with R' U' R' U R2. That leaves eight locations to find my pieces for the next four edges, which I freeslice.
mark49152
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Jason Green
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I saw probably a 6 and 4 year old girl eating out once with cubes, so I went and talked to them then went and got mine out of the car. The older sister could solve in a couple minutes I think, I was probably around 30 secs at the time?? It was fun.
pglewis
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@One Wheel: I'll probably give Yau a shot again soon. I adjusted easily on 4x4 but I'm just so bad at centers on 5x5 I gave up on Yau early.
@mark49152: On 4x4 I align things so that 3 dedges will pair up with one slice, so is that what's called "chain pairing"? Trying to get the terminology down (just figured out today that "freeslice" is officially what I've been doing on 5x5).
@mark49152: On 4x4 I align things so that 3 dedges will pair up with one slice, so is that what's called "chain pairing"? Trying to get the terminology down (just figured out today that "freeslice" is officially what I've been doing on 5x5).
mark49152
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No that sounds like 3-2-3 or 6-6. "Chain pairing" is what someone (experienced) called AvG when I described it to them once, but I haven't heard that terminology often. AvG applies to 5x5 and up and is as described is his video linked above (Arnaud van Galen). I don't do it exactly as he does, but the principle is that rather than solve a whole tredge in one go, you just match up pieces two at a time, wing and centre, until all the tredges are done.
Here are the very basics. It works best with Yau or Hoya but you can start with any 5x5 cube with centres solved.
1. Look at the wing at FLu. Find the corresponding midge. Insert that midge at FR with the opposite colour in front. Now when you slice the top two layers with Uw', the wing and midge will be paired.
2. Before you do the slice, look at the wing at FRu. The one next to the midge you just placed. After you slice, you're going to find the midge that matches this wing, and insert to FR with the same orientation. Then when you slice back with Uw, these two will be paired.
That's it. Obviously there are complications to deal with, but the concept is simple. You just keep slicing forward and backward pairing up wings and midges until it's all done or you get to an L2E parity case. It's very similar to the 2-3 steps of 3-2-3 on 4x4.
The advantage of the method is simplicity and easy lookahead. You are only ever searching for midges. That's only one third of the edge pieces to scan so it is much easier to keep moving and avoid those nasty long pauses. The consensus seems to be that it is a little less move efficient than freeslice, but IMHO it is a small enough difference that unless you are the top level it's worth trading it off in favour of developing lookahead, TPS and good familiarity with the cube overall.
Selkie
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@mark49152 - Awesome 4BLD solve there, just wow mate
So apparently Marty has had a delivery of Qiyi WuHua 6x6's. I'll be hovering about the store waiting this evening. Really want to put a lot of effort into 4x4 and 6x6 for Birmingham Open and yes and of course now 3BLD too
So apparently Marty has had a delivery of Qiyi WuHua 6x6's. I'll be hovering about the store waiting this evening. Really want to put a lot of effort into 4x4 and 6x6 for Birmingham Open and yes and of course now 3BLD too
pipkiksass
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An update on the Yuxin spring debate - my Yuxin Blue arrived on Saturday, during the 30 minutes of the week that I was out of the house (grr), so didn't get it until today.
Out of the box, it had a very smooth, almost papery feel, not dissimilar to the FangShi Shuangren. VERY smooth, but a bit resistant to being turned.
I was intending to do some solves, break it in a bit, time some 3x3 and 4x4 solves, then consider whether I should do a spring swap... when I had a small internal pop while scrambling. Thought I'd soldier on, when I had an internal explosion on OLL parity. So I've yet to solve it!
So seeing as I've had to disassemble anyway, thought I'd do the spring swap at the same time. I did notice that the Yuxin springs are VERY stiff, while the Fanghi springs are exactly the same size, but much much softer.
I won't have time to reassemble until later, but should have a good idea tonight of how the cube actually solves!!!!!
Out of the box, it had a very smooth, almost papery feel, not dissimilar to the FangShi Shuangren. VERY smooth, but a bit resistant to being turned.
I was intending to do some solves, break it in a bit, time some 3x3 and 4x4 solves, then consider whether I should do a spring swap... when I had a small internal pop while scrambling. Thought I'd soldier on, when I had an internal explosion on OLL parity. So I've yet to solve it!
So seeing as I've had to disassemble anyway, thought I'd do the spring swap at the same time. I did notice that the Yuxin springs are VERY stiff, while the Fanghi springs are exactly the same size, but much much softer.
I won't have time to reassemble until later, but should have a good idea tonight of how the cube actually solves!!!!!
earth2dan
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@mark49152 Wow! like everyone else I'm blown away by that 4BLD. I still haven't had a successful 3BLD attempt and I spend longer than 2min just trying to memo. I know blind solving takes a lot of practice, but you possess a natural talent my friend
Regarding 5x5 L2E. My plan has always been to wait until I'm much closer to 2:00 to learn them. I've only learned the one parity case, for everything else I swap/edgeflip. I estimate that learning them all will net me 5 - 10 seconds. So I'll wait until I get down to 2:05 - 2:10 to learn more algs. Might be a while lol...
I still really like my Yuxin Blue 4x4. No spring swap, just a meticulous set up and break in. Though, it's about due for some maintenance as it's slowing down again due to the tensions. In fairness, my cyclone boys G4 is getting a lot more play again lately. I've never lubed or adjusted tensions on the G4, it just needed to be broken in. It seems the Yuxin Blue takes a lot of work to make it great, and keep it that way. Whereas, once broken in, the G4 is basically maintenance free.
It's been 5 months since my last cube order and lots of new puzzles have released. I know I don't need any more, but I'm getting the itch
Regarding 5x5 L2E. My plan has always been to wait until I'm much closer to 2:00 to learn them. I've only learned the one parity case, for everything else I swap/edgeflip. I estimate that learning them all will net me 5 - 10 seconds. So I'll wait until I get down to 2:05 - 2:10 to learn more algs. Might be a while lol...
I still really like my Yuxin Blue 4x4. No spring swap, just a meticulous set up and break in. Though, it's about due for some maintenance as it's slowing down again due to the tensions. In fairness, my cyclone boys G4 is getting a lot more play again lately. I've never lubed or adjusted tensions on the G4, it just needed to be broken in. It seems the Yuxin Blue takes a lot of work to make it great, and keep it that way. Whereas, once broken in, the G4 is basically maintenance free.
It's been 5 months since my last cube order and lots of new puzzles have released. I know I don't need any more, but I'm getting the itch
mafergut
Legend
@mark49152 Wow! like everyone else I'm blown away by that 4BLD. I still haven't had a successful 3BLD attempt and I spend longer than 2min just trying to memo. I know blind solving takes a lot of practice, but you possess a natural talent my friend
Regarding 5x5 L2E. My plan has always been to wait until I'm much closer to 2:00 to learn them. I've only learned the one parity case, for everything else I swap/edgeflip. I estimate that learning them all will net me 5 - 10 seconds. So I'll wait until I get down to 2:05 - 2:10 to learn more algs. Might be a while lol...
I still really like my Yuxin Blue 4x4. No spring swap, just a meticulous set up and break in. Though, it's about due for some maintenance as it's slowing down again due to the tensions. In fairness, my cyclone boys G4 is getting a lot more play again lately. I've never lubed or adjusted tensions on the G4, it just needed to be broken in. It seems the Yuxin Blue takes a lot of work to make it great, and keep it that way. Whereas, once broken in, the G4 is basically maintenance free.
It's been 5 months since my last cube order and lots of new puzzles have released. I know I don't need any more, but I'm getting the itch
I didn't say anything about @mark49152 4BLD solve... mainly because it left me speechless. No, really, I didn't say anything because I had no time to watch the video until now but it really left me speechless. There's so much BLD talent in this forum...! You are a cubing professional. I feel like an "aficionado" in comparison.
@earth2dan Your estimate of the time savings for L2E by learning the algs is more or less what I expect as well. Not a lot but enough to make it worth it. But I won't wait until 2:10 average or maybe I will never try to learn them
Regarding the Yuxin Blue it's a pity what you say. It almost takes away all my desire to do the spring swap and assembly, lubing and tensioning. There are more interesting things I can do with my spare time this Christmas if it's not gonna become godly
And same here with cube orders. In my case it's been like two months, the last thing I got was the Moyu Magnetic Pyra but I might buy myself something for Christmas. The other day I saw a brick & mortar store in my city that sells some interesting cubes, imported and repackaged by Cayro Toys. They were out of stock of Meffert's Ghost but I might get one if they have it again. They also had Meffert's Skweb Ultimate (dodecahedron) and other stuff. It's the first time I see these thing on sale around here. Maybe the twisty puzzle business is starting to grow out of the niche market after all?
mark49152
Premium Member
@pipkiksass, @Selkie, @earth2dan, @mafergut: Thanks for the kind words of encouragement
To answer Pip's point, 4BLD is exactly the same principle as 3BLD, just bigger. About 2.5 times the information, plus an extra piece type, but otherwise the same principles, process and skills. I did improve a lot in the last few weeks, and I think a big reason for that is that doing more 5BLD and bigger MBLDs has improved my memo skills so now I can easily do several 4BLDs in a practice session, whereas before my max was 1-2 before my memory got tired. So I just got more practice done. Maybe 80-100 solves in the last month. It's a really fun event and my favourite right now.
To answer Pip's point, 4BLD is exactly the same principle as 3BLD, just bigger. About 2.5 times the information, plus an extra piece type, but otherwise the same principles, process and skills. I did improve a lot in the last few weeks, and I think a big reason for that is that doing more 5BLD and bigger MBLDs has improved my memo skills so now I can easily do several 4BLDs in a practice session, whereas before my max was 1-2 before my memory got tired. So I just got more practice done. Maybe 80-100 solves in the last month. It's a really fun event and my favourite right now.
