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dirkgroot

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Hi all, another Dutch "old" guy here :D. I'm Dirk, and I'm 44 years old. More than 30 years ago, I taught myself to solve the cube using something similar to the beginner method, with the help of a book (the internet was still in its infancy back then). I'm sure my parents still have that book somewhere in their bookcase. A couple of weeks ago I found out about CFOP, bought a GAN speedcube, and started learning that.

Now, I average about 1:10 with a PB of 45.68. My current goal is to be able to consistently solve the cube in under 1 minute.
 

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Hi all, another Dutch "old" guy here :D. I'm Dirk, and I'm 44 years old. More than 30 years ago, I taught myself to solve the cube using something similar to the beginner method, with the help of a book (the internet was still in its infancy back then). I'm sure my parents still have that book somewhere in their bookcase. A couple of weeks ago I found out about CFOP, bought a GAN speedcube, and started learning that.

Now, I average about 1:10 with a PB of 45.68. My current goal is to be able to consistently solve the cube in under 1 minute.
Welcome! Try focusing on fingertricks, intuitive F2L fluency, and good habits for solving F2L. Also make sure not to learn Full Oll or Pll yet, as that might overwhelm you. It sure did for me!
 

dirkgroot

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Welcome! Try focusing on fingertricks, intuitive F2L fluency, and good habits for solving F2L. Also make sure not to learn Full Oll or Pll yet, as that might overwhelm you. It sure did for me!
I'm roughly following the steps from this thread. I'm at step 2 now, so I'm doing 4LLL, but I've also already put some effort in learning intuitive F2L (I still need a lot of practice to get fast with it).

What good F2L habits are you thinking of? My current habits:
  • Keep cross at the bottom;
  • Minimize kube rotations, so don't rotate the cube in order to be able to solve a pair in the right front corner, but solve pairs in other corners as well if possible;
  • "Standardize your solve" as per BadMephisto's advice, so I always start F2L with the green side in front;
 

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I'm roughly following the steps from this thread. I'm at step 2 now, so I'm doing 4LLL, but I've also already put some effort in learning intuitive F2L (I still need a lot of practice to get fast with it).

What good F2L habits are you thinking of? My current habits:
  • Keep cross at the bottom;
  • Minimize kube rotations, so don't rotate the cube in order to be able to solve a pair in the right front corner, but solve pairs in other corners as well if possible;
  • "Standardize your solve" as per BadMephisto's advice, so I always start F2L with the green side in front;
Yeah, when you do this, it's called a "set color order" Basically, you force yourself to choose one side and start from there. There are situations where this may be useful, but you don't want to do this for 3x3. You need to be able to solve from any side.
 

SenorJuan

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I personally think that sticking to a fixed starting-face colour is the best option for us oldies. The tiny ( one or two moves ) reduction in solution length resulting from 'colour neutral' solving is just not worth it. Learning an advanced method like CFOP is challenging enough, without having to learn it 6 times. Putting effort into improving the 'F2L' stage can easily reduce movecount by 5 moves.

But starting the 'F2L' stage with a consistent colour on front is not beneficial, even if the intention is to simplify the learning process, and expand the skillset later.
Knowing how to solve to at least 2 of the 4 slots should be a standard part of your repertoire. Just about all algorithms/move-sequences can be 'rotated' , so for example the Back-Left slot can be solved instead of the Front-Right slot.
 
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Ander

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Personally, the hardest challenge I face is finding the pieces I need to pair up in the F2L phase.
What I lack is cube situational awareness, so to speak: I have to do plenty of rotations and that wastes a lot of time.
Algs I can learn, and with time I can do them moderately fast, or at least fast enough for now.
I am trying to improve it by solving slow to force myself to see during the solve, but so far results are not great.
I will just keep at it ;)
 

UncleFrank

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Hi all, another Dutch "old" guy here :D. I'm Dirk, and I'm 44 years old. More than 30 years ago, I taught myself to solve the cube using something similar to the beginner method, with the help of a book (the internet was still in its infancy back then). I'm sure my parents still have that book somewhere in their bookcase. A couple of weeks ago I found out about CFOP, bought a GAN speedcube, and started learning that.

Now, I average about 1:10 with a PB of 45.68. My current goal is to be able to consistently solve the cube in under 1 minute.

Welcome to the crowd.
Keep up with how other seniors 40+ are doing in competitions -
and if you've ever been to a competition, sign up on that site, too.
 

dirkgroot

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Yeah, when you do this, it's called a "set color order" Basically, you force yourself to choose one side and start from there. There are situations where this may be useful, but you don't want to do this for 3x3. You need to be able to solve from any side.
Interestingly, always starting with green in the front has helped me internalizing how the green, red, blue and orange faces are positioned relative to each other. The last few days, I found myself breaking the "always start with green in front" habit without thinking about it and intuitively knowing in which corner a pair needed to go relative to the color in front (although I also screw up some times).

Just to clarify: I am/was just starting out with green in the front. When I do a cube rotation, I don't revert to green in the front afterwards, and try to solve the rest of the pairs without cube rotations, until I can't, or don't know how to.
Personally, the hardest challenge I face is finding the pieces I need to pair up in the F2L phase.
What I lack is cube situational awareness, so to speak: I have to do plenty of rotations and that wastes a lot of time.
Algs I can learn, and with time I can do them moderately fast, or at least fast enough for now.
I am trying to improve it by solving slow to force myself to see during the solve, but so far results are not great.
I will just keep at it ;)
I found that just tilting the cube a little bit can reveal just the information you need, especially when one or more pairs are solved. When I see a red sticker on the back of the R side, while I know the red/green side has already been solved, I can be sure that that's a red/blue cubie.
I personally think that sticking to a fixed starting-face colour is the best option for us oldies. The tiny ( one or two moves ) reduction in solution length resulting from 'colour neutral' solving is just not worth it. Learning an advanced method like CFOP is challenging enough, without having to learn it 6 times. Putting effort into improving the 'F2L' stage can easily reduce movecount by 5 moves.
Interesting. I guess that would make it a little bit easier to find the first F2L pair to be solved, because you're looking for specific color combinations. Currently, I just look for pairs and start to solve the first one I find, regardless of how easy or hard it is to solve.
 
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Cuberto333

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Hi all, another Dutch "old" guy here :D. I'm Dirk, and I'm 44 years old. More than 30 years ago, I taught myself to solve the cube using something similar to the beginner method, with the help of a book (the internet was still in its infancy back then). I'm sure my parents still have that book somewhere in their bookcase. A couple of weeks ago I found out about CFOP, bought a GAN speedcube, and started learning that.

Now, I average about 1:10 with a PB of 45.68. My current goal is to be able to consistently solve the cube in under 1 minute.
Ha! I'm older than all of you, lol! But seriously, I can't get sub 60. Started cubing last july. I'm 61, btw.
 
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