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Yeah, to be honest I want to finish PLL so that I don't suffer badly from the times I get one I don't know, really pushes out the time on it, and means I can't be consistent in times. But I do know I could probably gain more from cross and F2L, I'll go back to working on that in a few weeks if I manage to get another two PLLs ticked off.

What time are you down to now?
Finishing PLL is a great milestone for sure. I put down the cube for 7-8 years and the first thing i wanted to get done getting back into the hobby was finish PLL (i needed R's Ns and Gs). Especially once you start benefiting from the PLL cases yo do know getting a case you don't feels like a real bummer on your progress and consistency.

Once i finished PLL i worked on efficient cross solutions, better solutions to F2L cases, and executing the F2L cases i do know with a high turning speed. I spent alot of time internally vocalizing my F2L solutions (all algs really) and wanted to get to a point where i could recognize and execute and not necessarily think about how i need to solve the case (prepping to implement look ahead). All told this has brought me from the 30-35s range to consistently averaging 28-29s. When i get solves where everything goes right I'm getting sub-25 and alot of sub 20 solves which is awesome and rewarding. I've been cubing like a mad man with all this extra time at home due to COVID-19.

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Great inspiration for me, cheers. Hopefully get there in the next few months too.
 

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Improved my OH PBs a bit:
Ao12: 21.20 (from 21.88)
Ao100: 23.21 (from 23.66)

Generated By csTimer on 2020-05-11
avg of 12: 21.20

Time List:
1. 19.36 F2 L F2 D' R2 U F2 D' L2 B2 R2 U' B' R2 F' L' B2 U F2 U2
2. 24.28 L U' R' U' D L D R B D2 F2 L2 B D2 R2 B L2 F2 L2
3. 21.86 F U2 R' U' F2 R' F R F2 D2 R' B2 D2 R U2 B2 L U L
4. 22.84 L2 U L2 U F2 L2 D2 R2 D2 B F D L2 R2 B2 F' L' F'
5. 20.26 B2 U2 R2 B2 F2 D2 U R2 D' L2 B2 U' B' D L2 D B2 R' B2 L U'
6. (39.08) F' D2 F2 D' R2 D R2 U' F2 R2 U2 B2 R' F D U2 B U' L' D2 B'
7. (17.17) R2 B' L2 B' U2 B F2 R2 F2 U L' F D' U F2 D' B' U2
8. 18.25 F L2 B R2 D2 B2 L2 B D2 B' U2 R' D U L' U F' D' F' L' F
9. 24.48 L2 D2 F L2 B' D2 U2 B2 R2 B' U2 B R U R' U' L' D B U'
10. 18.96 R' U' L2 B2 D2 L2 U F2 R2 B2 L2 F2 U2 L U F D L U L R'
11. 22.88 B R' B2 R F2 L' U2 R U2 R B2 R' D2 U B' R2 D' F U2 B2
12. 18.80 F' L2 R2 B2 R2 F' R2 B L2 F' U2 L' F2 D F R' U' L2 B L

Generated By csTimer on 2020-05-11
avg of 100: 23.21

Time List:
1. 20.40 B' D' U2 F R2 D2 R2 U2 F' R2 L B R' U' F' L2 D' B'
2. 27.13 F2 U2 F' R' D F2 L U' D' L2 U' R2 F2 U' L2 F2 R2 B2 U2 B'
3. 19.34 L' U2 B2 L R F2 L' D2 F2 U2 L2 U' B' D L B U2 R
4. (17.67) D R2 F2 D' L2 D F2 D' B2 R D L B L2 D2 B' U L2 U'
5. 22.88 F L' D2 L D2 F2 L B2 D2 R U2 L2 F2 D B' L' U L' D' R U2
6. 22.93 F2 L' U B2 U R2 U L2 D F2 L2 U2 R U' B U' R2 B2 R B
7. 24.68 D2 F2 D' L U' D' R' D' B2 L2 U2 B U2 F' L2 B L2 D2 R
8. 24.89 R' D2 F L2 U2 F U2 B2 U2 L2 B R2 U2 L D U2 B2 F D2 L' D'
9. 18.55 F B L2 F B L B D L2 U2 R' B2 U2 L U2 L D2 L F2 B2
10. 26.35 R U2 R B' U R D' L F' D2 R' F2 L' D2 R2 U2 L' F2 U2
11. 19.94 U L F' R2 F' R2 B2 D2 U2 L2 B R2 D2 F' U B D U' L' B2 F2
12. 26.91 U' L' B2 R2 B2 R2 B L2 D2 B' R2 D2 B D' R D2 L U' F' R
13. 21.56 D' L2 F' R' B2 L U D' R' U D2 L2 B2 L2 B2 U D2 R2 U B2 L2
14. 24.74 L' F' D' L2 D R2 U L2 B2 F2 D F2 D F' L' F2 L D F R D
15. 21.87 U' L2 D' F2 L2 U' R2 U F2 U F' D2 B2 R D' U' R' B' D' U
16. 19.36 F2 L F2 D' R2 U F2 D' L2 B2 R2 U' B' R2 F' L' B2 U F2 U2
17. 24.28 L U' R' U' D L D R B D2 F2 L2 B D2 R2 B L2 F2 L2
18. 21.86 F U2 R' U' F2 R' F R F2 D2 R' B2 D2 R U2 B2 L U L
19. 22.84 L2 U L2 U F2 L2 D2 R2 D2 B F D L2 R2 B2 F' L' F'
20. 20.26 B2 U2 R2 B2 F2 D2 U R2 D' L2 B2 U' B' D L2 D B2 R' B2 L U'
21. (39.08) F' D2 F2 D' R2 D R2 U' F2 R2 U2 B2 R' F D U2 B U' L' D2 B'
22. (17.17) R2 B' L2 B' U2 B F2 R2 F2 U L' F D' U F2 D' B' U2
23. 18.25 F L2 B R2 D2 B2 L2 B D2 B' U2 R' D U L' U F' D' F' L' F
24. 24.48 L2 D2 F L2 B' D2 U2 B2 R2 B' U2 B R U R' U' L' D B U'
25. 18.96 R' U' L2 B2 D2 L2 U F2 R2 B2 L2 F2 U2 L U F D L U L R'
26. 22.88 B R' B2 R F2 L' U2 R U2 R B2 R' D2 U B' R2 D' F U2 B2
27. 18.80 F' L2 R2 B2 R2 F' R2 B L2 F' U2 L' F2 D F R' U' L2 B L
28. 22.79 L U D2 F2 R' D2 B L' U' B2 L2 U' R2 F2 L2 F2 B2 D L2 U' B'
29. (DNF(22.61)) R D' B2 R' B2 L2 U' B L' B2 R L2 F2 B2 L U2 B2 D2
30. 20.24 L2 U' B2 R2 F2 R2 D2 U F2 L2 U' R2 L F D' R2 B D R2 U' B
31. 26.81 L2 D L2 U' B2 U' L2 F2 L2 D B2 U2 B' U' B R' U L' D' R2 B2
32. 24.40 L' F2 B' R L D L D F2 D2 L2 F2 L2 B' U2 F' L2 B U2 D2 R
33. 22.38 B2 L F2 U' B' U' L' B U2 D2 R2 F' B' L2 U2 F' D L'
34. (17.36) D2 F L2 B2 R2 B2 U L2 D L2 R2 U R' U B' R2 U B2 R' D'
35. 24.57 L2 F U B2 L2 D2 L2 F2 L2 U L2 D R2 L' B2 U' R' U' B D L
36. 23.39 U' B2 D2 U F2 L2 D' B2 L2 R' B L2 F' R D' L' B R U'
37. 19.63 U2 F2 L' D2 B2 R B2 F2 R' U2 R2 B' U' R' B D F D B2 L2
38. (DNF(0.98)) L2 F2 L2 U2 B' D2 F' L2 R2 U2 F D L R' B L' B U2 B'
39. 25.83 U' R' F2 R2 B2 D2 L' F2 R D2 F2 R D2 F' D L F U' L2 F
40. 29.45 R2 B2 D B2 L2 U' F2 R2 U2 B2 R2 L B2 R F' D B D' R' F'
41. 22.52 B' D' F2 L2 D2 U2 L B2 U2 L' D2 L U2 D R' B' F R' B D
42. 28.48 R2 U L R2 U' F2 R2 D' L2 U2 L2 B2 R2 U' B L F D2 L U' B2
43. 23.22 F L' U' F2 U B2 U R2 B2 D' R2 B2 F2 U L' D L B' R2 F U'
44. 27.80 B L' B2 D B2 U2 L2 R2 U' L2 U2 L2 F L B' R' D' R' D2 L'
45. 21.47 L D2 R' B U D F L' R2 U2 D2 B' U2 F' U2 B' R2 L2 B U'
46. 19.93 L' F R2 B R B' L D B2 D2 B' R2 L2 B2 D2 B' D2 L2 B2 U2 R
47. 21.14 F D B2 U2 L' B' R' L2 B2 U F2 L2 U2 R2 D2 F2 U' F2 U' F R2
48. 22.07 U2 F' D' L F L2 B R U' B2 U2 F2 D' F2 R2 U2 R2 U' R2 F2 B'
49. 20.92 L2 U2 B2 L' U2 F2 L R2 F2 D2 U2 L' D R' F2 U F R2 B' L D2
50. 24.73 F R D' F2 R L2 D2 F' U' L U2 D R2 L2 F2 U R2 B2 D' F2 B2
51. 25.69 L F2 B2 D2 L' D R2 D B F2 D R2 U2 D F2 B2 R2 D L2
52. 20.64 R U' R' D2 L2 F D L' F' D2 R F2 R' B2 L D2 B2 L F2 R F2
53. 23.23 B' U2 R2 U' F2 R2 F2 R2 F2 R2 U F' R' B2 L' D B' D' U F
54. 22.46 B2 U L2 U2 R2 D L2 U' F U' B' R' D2 F R2 F U' R2
55. (36.75) R' B R D' L B2 L' F' L' R2 D2 R2 L2 B U2 F' B' R2 U2
56. 21.19 U' L2 F2 U' B2 U F2 D2 L2 F2 U R2 L D' B' D' R' F D R2
57. 25.79 R2 B2 D L2 U2 L2 R2 U L2 U L D L B R U2 B U' B
58. 20.80 L2 F D2 B' D2 R2 D2 F U2 F' L2 B2 U' B2 U L' U2 B' L2 B U'
59. 23.65 L B' L2 R2 B R2 B F L2 U2 L2 F D' R2 F U F R' D U
60. 24.86 D2 U2 F L2 R2 F L2 D2 B' F' U F U F2 R2 F R F R'
61. 23.72 D L U2 R' F2 U' D R' F L2 U R2 L2 D' R2 U2 L2 F2 R2 L2 U2
62. 20.07 U2 R' B U2 R U' R2 F' L' D2 R2 L2 F' L2 B' L2 U2 F' R2 L2 D
63. 23.44 R' F' U' L' B R U' B2 L' U2 F2 D2 B2 L2 F2 L2 U' L2 D R2
64. 21.34 F2 D' U' R2 D2 R2 F2 D' B2 U' L2 U' B D2 L B2 F' D B' L2 F
65. 26.14 L2 B U L F D' L U B2 U R2 D2 R2 L2 U L2 F2 U B D'
66. (32.77) U2 R2 F2 D' L2 U' B2 D' L2 D2 L2 U L' B' R' U2 B' D' F U F2
67. 25.75 F' U B2 L2 D2 B' F2 L2 D2 F' D2 L2 U B U L R2 F D
68. 23.77 B2 L2 F2 U2 B2 D L2 R2 B2 U' R2 U' B F U' F' R B F R2
69. 31.06 B2 R2 D2 R' U2 B2 U2 L U2 B2 R F R F2 U' B2 R' U' L2 R2
70. 23.54 U2 L R2 B2 R2 D2 B' F U2 F D2 B' D' B' R B' D' R B2
71. 20.04 D' L' F' L B2 L2 U' B R' B R2 B' L2 U2 D2 F2 U2 R2 F L2
72. 20.34 R2 U2 F' B' U L' B L' D L F2 L F2 U2 F2 U2 R2 F2 L
73. 27.15 F U' B D2 R2 F D2 B D2 F R2 U2 L2 U L' F D R B' U F2
74. 26.74 U2 B' R2 D2 F2 D B2 L2 F2 L2 U2 F2 D B2 R' D' R2 B' D' B2 U
75. 27.37 B' D2 U' L2 U R2 F2 U L2 R2 F2 R2 D' B' L' F' D2 R B R D
76. 22.40 B2 U2 D' F' R F2 U2 R' D L2 U F2 U2 B2 U L2 B2 U' F2 U2
77. (17.33) B U2 R2 D' B2 F2 D R2 D R2 U2 F L' D R B2 D2 B' U L2
78. 25.96 B' L2 F L2 B' R2 D2 F' U2 F' R2 L' B' D' U2 F2 L' R D B2
79. 24.68 R2 D2 R2 B U B' L' F R F2 U' R2 U L2 D' R2 F2 U2 R2 U2 R2
80. 20.16 L2 R2 D F2 U' F2 U' F2 U R2 F2 D' B' D' B' F L' B2 D2 U2 L'
81. 21.48 R' B D' L' B R U B2 R F2 R' F2 D2 R U2 R D2 F U2
82. 22.05 B D2 R2 L2 U F2 R B' U2 L' D2 B2 U2 B2 R2 D2 R' F2 D2 L'
83. 21.90 F2 L2 D2 L2 U2 F2 R F2 R' D2 B2 L' U' B L' B2 D2 F U B'
84. 19.40 U2 B' R F2 D R U2 D F' R2 U2 F2 R2 U F2 D' F2 B2 L2 D2
85. 23.46 R2 D2 B2 L2 D2 R' F2 L' F2 R B2 F2 U R' F D2 L2 D2 L2
86. 23.15 U F' D' B' D' R F D R U L2 U L2 U L2 B2 R2 L2 D B2 D'
87. 30.82 B2 L2 F L2 R2 F2 U2 R2 B' D2 L2 B' R' D' R2 D' L2 F D' R2
88. 21.31 D2 L2 D F2 R2 F2 D' L2 D' L F2 L B D2 L2 B' D F' L'
89. 21.01 R B2 U2 F R2 D L D F R2 F L2 F' U2 L2 U2 F' R2 F'
90. 21.52 U B' D B' R' D2 F' L2 B R2 B2 D' R2 U L2 D B2 L2 U2 B2
91. 25.46 U' D2 L U2 R D2 U2 L' F2 L U2 R' U L2 F' L' R' U F R2 F
92. 27.78 U2 D F R2 L' B2 D' R B2 U2 R2 U2 L2 F U2 L2 F' U2 L2 U B
93. 31.64 R' B2 U2 B2 D B2 U F2 U R2 F2 U2 R' U F L2 D' B D L2
94. 20.27 F2 B' L U' D2 R2 L U D2 R2 F R2 F D2 F2 L2 U2 F' R'
95. 22.14 R U2 B2 F2 L U2 F2 L R2 D2 R' F2 U' B2 L' B' L' F2 L2 D'
96. 21.49+ B2 R U' F' R L2 U' L2 D2 F R2 F' R2 U2 L2 F L2 D F'
97. 23.22 B' L2 B2 L2 U2 B' L2 B' D2 R2 F2 U L D' U' B' F U' L' F2
98. 20.53 D' R' F2 L2 F' D F2 L B' L2 B2 D2 B2 L F2 D2 R' L2 U2 B2
99. (18.15) F2 B U R U' D' B U2 R' F2 L2 U2 R' U2 L B2 U2 L' U2 F'
100. 22.05 R2 F D2 B2 U2 B' U2 L2 F R2 L' U L2 F D' F D R2 D'
 

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OH PB single: 14.56 (was 14.83 from 1-May)

No reconstruction, it was a mis-scramble :(
Nice! My Pb sheet from a few years ago says my single is 14.882. It looks like you got me beat. I put another 100+ solves in this week. I managed to get a pretty nice Ao5: 21.233 got a couple of sub-20 singles too, my first since starting again.
 

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Improved my Ao100 OH PB just a bit, 23.15 (was 23.21). I've not learn more CMLL algs yet, first I'll do some deliberate practice with the those two I've learned so far. I was only doing them when they appeared in solves, which is probably not the best approach.

Ao1000 is at 24.63.

Generated By csTimer on 2020-05-19
avg of 100: 23.15

Time List:
1. 23.34 D' L F' L B' L2 D' F' L2 F L2 F U2 B2 R2 D2 R2 L2 B D' L
2. 22.08 F2 B2 R2 U' B R' F2 U' F D' F2 U' R2 F2 D2 F2 L2 F2 R2 D B2
3. 21.78 B R2 F' R D' L B R B2 R2 B R2 F' R2 U2 F2 B R2 U2 R'
4. 28.10 D' R B2 L2 D' B2 U R2 D' B2 D' L2 B' R D U2 F2 U B' R2
5. 20.24 R2 B' D2 F2 L U2 L D2 L2 B2 L U2 B2 F U' R' D L B2 D'
6. 21.20 R' B' R' D2 L U2 F2 L' F2 D2 L' R2 U2 R2 F R' B2 L' B U F2
7. 24.49 L2 F U2 B L2 B2 R2 B' D2 B' U2 F2 L' B' L' R2 F2 R2 U R'
8. 24.82 F2 R' B2 L F2 D2 L2 R' D2 L F2 D' L2 D' B F' R B2 U L2
9. 20.81 F2 R' F R2 F L2 D2 F' L2 F2 R2 D2 R2 D2 R U' R2 B' L' U L'
10. 20.72 F2 D' U' L2 D B2 D2 U B2 R' B' F2 U2 L F2 D U' B F2
11. 20.69 U2 R2 B2 U L2 D F2 U R2 L' D B' U' F D U' R' F L'
12. (17.88) B L D2 R2 F' B2 D L2 F2 U2 D2 F D2 F2 D2 R2 D2 F U2 L D'
13. 23.96 R2 B' R2 F' L2 F D2 L2 F L2 B2 R B' L' U' R2 B2 D2 F' U
14. 29.80 L' U' L2 D' B2 U' L2 B2 L2 B2 U L F2 U2 B' R B2 F D
15. 26.68 D B' L2 R2 B2 U' F2 U' F2 R2 D' B2 D2 L2 R' D F' U' R2 F' L2
16. (30.79) F L U R2 F2 R2 B2 U L2 D' B2 F2 R2 F' L' B2 F' D B R'
17. 23.37 F D2 F' U' B2 U' R2 D U F2 U' B2 F U2 F' D' F' L' U'
18. (18.13) U F' L2 D2 F2 U2 F2 U2 F D2 U2 R2 L' U F L2 U L B' R
19. 26.36 B2 R' U F2 D' B2 R2 U B2 R2 U' F2 L' D' B2 L U' B D2 U'
20. 18.48 U2 L2 D R2 F2 U F2 D L2 D B2 U2 L F U L U2 R U2 F' L2
21. 29.89 F D' R2 U L2 D2 L2 D' B2 D' R2 F D' U F D2 R D2 U2
22. 23.88 F' L' U' D L U' L2 B U' R2 B2 L2 U2 L2 D F2 U2 D' R2 U R'
23. 25.08 R B2 R2 U' D' L F' D F' R2 U2 F2 B' D2 B' U2 R2 L
24. 21.65 L2 F2 L U2 L2 F2 D2 B F2 R2 F' D2 U2 L U R F2 D' L' D'
25. 25.57 F' R' D2 U2 B2 D2 R B2 R' F2 R2 F U' L D F R' F' R2
26. 19.93 L2 U2 B R2 B' L2 D2 B2 F' R2 F2 D' L F R' B U L2 F D2 L'
27. 26.48 R F R2 U2 R2 B' L2 R2 B2 U2 L2 R2 F2 U' L' B2 F' D F' L U
28. 24.60 D R L' F' L2 D' L U2 F2 B' U2 F2 D2 R2 D2 L2 F' R2 D' B2 R2
29. 24.29 U2 B' R' U2 L' B2 R' U' F U2 F2 D2 L' B2 L D2 B2 R B2
30. 28.40 B U2 L2 U2 F' R2 B D2 L2 F' D2 F D' L U2 F' L2 B2 U' R'
31. 20.13 L B R F2 D B U' R2 B U2 R L2 D2 L2 F2 D2 B2 D2 B2
32. 20.95 L D' U2 L2 F2 D B2 R2 B2 U' F2 R B R' D R2 U2 F2 L' R'
33. 20.21 U2 R2 B2 D2 R2 F' R2 B2 D2 F' L2 F D' R F U2 R2 F R2 D F'
34. 24.51 B2 R' U2 R D2 L B2 R B2 L2 R' F2 U L2 B' L U L' F U R
35. 21.54 B2 F2 D R2 U L2 F2 L2 R2 U2 B2 U' B' F' U L' U' B2 L2 F U
36. 23.80 D R B2 L2 U' B2 L2 D U F2 R2 D' U' R' D' B R2 U F2 D2
37. 22.78 D2 L B2 L U2 R D2 F2 R2 D2 R U2 D' R F' L' U2 R' D
38. 19.43 L' B2 R U' L' U' R' F' U2 F2 U' R2 U F2 U' F2 L2 D L2 D2
39. 20.09 D F' D2 L2 B' L2 F R2 B' U2 B L2 B2 R U2 R' U F L' R' F'
40. 27.48 F U F' D F B' R F2 D2 F L2 D2 B2 R2 F' D2 R2 B L2
41. 23.25 D2 F2 U2 R2 F L2 F D2 F R2 U2 B2 L' F D' U' L' R' D' F'
42. 21.95 D2 B D2 F U2 F L2 F R2 F U L2 U' B F U' L B' U F'
43. 20.76 B' D2 R' U2 L' R' U2 R B2 F2 D2 U B L' R B' L U R2
44. 25.19 F R2 B2 U2 F2 R2 F2 U L2 D U2 R2 D L' B' F2 L D' F L2 B'
45. 23.86 B' L2 B' F2 L2 B' D2 B' U2 R2 U2 L2 D B L' R2 B' L2 U R F'
46. 25.08 F L' U' L2 D B2 F2 R2 U' L2 R2 B2 R F D' R2 F' L' B2 F
47. (29.99) B2 L2 U' B2 L2 U2 F2 D B2 F2 U' B' L2 F2 D2 U B' D R' D' L'
48. 27.16 R2 D B2 F2 D' R2 D2 F2 D B2 U' R' U2 B' U' F' D2 L B2 L2 D
49. 20.88 U' L' U2 R U2 L' D2 U2 R U2 R F2 D' R' B R' F' D' L' D R'
50. 23.11 L' F2 B' L2 U2 B U' F R' D2 F2 B2 R' B2 R U2 R' D2 L' U2
51. 20.72 D2 R D2 B' D2 B R2 F D2 B' U2 B' F' R B' R' D' B2 L U
52. (47.26) U B2 D' F2 B R2 L F R2 U2 R' F2 L B2 U2 L' D2 L B
53. 22.99 B2 U D2 L U B D' B2 L U2 L2 U' L2 U F2 U F2 U2 F2 D
54. 20.04 D2 L2 B2 D' B2 R2 F2 L2 D2 U F L D' R' D' R2 F' D' F' D
55. 25.30 B2 L R2 B2 L' U2 L' D2 L2 U2 R' U2 B' D U2 R2 U2 L' R D2 U'
56. 25.95 U F2 L2 D' F2 D' B2 D' F2 R2 D2 B L2 U' R' F2 U2 F2 U' R
57. 19.94 U F2 U' L U' D2 B' D L U R2 U2 D L2 U' R2 U L2 F2 R2
58. (16.17) L F2 L' B' U' R L' F U B U2 R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 U2 F' R2 B R2
59. 22.39 R2 D' L2 F2 D L2 U' R2 D' R2 F2 D2 L B F U' R B' L D' U
60. 20.68 D' F2 U L B2 D R' U B R B2 L' B2 L' B2 U2 L2 F2 R
61. (36.05) R2 F' R U' R2 D B2 L2 U' B2 D' F2 U2 B2 L' D L D' F' R U'
62. 18.68 F D2 U2 B2 U2 L2 F' L2 F D2 L2 B' D L2 F2 L B2 F' R' U' B2
63. 22.36 U' F' B2 D2 L' R2 F2 D2 R F2 U2 F2 R2 D L' D2 U F' R' B'
64. 22.95 R2 U2 B2 R2 D2 R U2 L B2 R2 U2 F2 U' B' U2 L2 D B2 R B' U
65. 20.26 B2 R2 B2 U2 L2 U' B2 R2 F' L B2 D R' U' R B' F2 U
66. 18.67 R2 D2 F' U2 B' R2 F' L2 D2 R2 F' L' U' B' R F U' F R' U
67. 22.18 F2 R2 F2 U B2 D U B2 U2 B2 R' B U2 L' B' L F U B2 L
68. 25.75 B2 D B2 U' F2 L2 U' F2 U2 L2 U2 L2 R D2 U F D2 B D' U2
69. 20.47 U F' R' L2 U2 L2 B2 F' L2 R2 U2 F R2 B D F2 U2 L' U2 F2 U'
70. 22.38 L2 F2 U' B2 D' U L2 D' B2 U2 L' D B' R U' B2 U' B2 L' U'
71. (31.39) R L' B U' R D2 F' D' B2 R U2 L2 U2 L2 B2 D2 L' D2 R2 B2
72. 28.09 D2 R2 D2 F' L2 U2 B U2 B F2 R' F' L2 D F' R' U' F2 R
73. 21.87 D2 U2 B' L2 B L2 R2 B D2 B' R2 D F' R' F' U' R2 D2 R B2
74. 22.59 R' L2 D2 L2 B2 U R2 B2 R2 B2 D' R F' L U' B' L' D B2 U'
75. 28.88 B' D2 B F' D2 F2 L2 R2 U2 F' D2 R' B U' F' R2 D R' D F'
76. 22.27 U' R2 U2 B' R' D2 F B2 R2 F2 L2 U D2 L2 U' D' B2 L2 F2 R D
77. 22.84 R2 U F2 R2 F2 U' F2 D R2 D B' F R D2 R2 U' F' D2 F' U2
78. 19.64 L2 F R2 D2 F' L2 U2 B2 F U2 R' D B F' U L' F U' R
79. 25.40 B' D L2 R2 D2 L2 B2 L2 F2 U B D2 R U L B R F2 D
80. 21.92 R2 F2 U2 F2 D' L2 R2 U' L2 F2 R2 D2 R F' D2 L' F D2 B' F2
81. 18.89 D B R F2 B' U B L R2 F L2 D2 B2 D2 B' L2 U2 B U2 F' U'
82. 26.42+ R F2 D2 U' R2 D B2 L2 B2 D2 U' L2 F' D' L R D2 U' L' B' U2
83. 27.15 D' L2 D' R2 D U2 R2 U2 B2 U' R2 B2 F L' R2 U' R' B' R2 D U2
84. 21.54 U2 R D2 F D L D' R' B2 R2 D B2 U L2 U2 R2 D' F2 R'
85. 20.70 L' F2 R' L U2 B R F' U' F2 U2 B2 U2 L2 D' L2 U L2 F2 B2
86. 25.61 B2 L U2 L' R2 U2 L U2 F2 D2 R' B D L2 R' F2 R F' D' R' B
87. 22.04 F' R2 U2 B' R2 F D2 B D2 U2 B' U' B' U2 L' U2 F' D U' F' U2
88. 27.34 L2 F2 U F2 D' L2 F2 D' R2 U2 B2 D R' U2 L2 B U F' R' D L
89. 23.33 R F' U R2 D' U2 F2 U' B2 R2 B2 L2 F' L2 U2 F L2 D' L2
90. 23.52 B L' B2 D' B2 F2 L2 U L2 D' R2 D R2 F' D2 B2 F D2 U F2
91. 22.35 R F R U B2 U F2 D F2 R2 B2 D F2 L' F2 D2 R B R2 D2
92. 19.15 U L2 B2 D2 R2 L' F' U' L2 U B2 R2 U F2 B2 D R2 D' R' B2
93. (18.22) F R' L D2 R2 F2 D' L F2 U2 B L2 B U2 F L2 F2 R2 F D'
94. 23.04 U' F2 D' B' L2 D' B2 L' F U R2 L2 F2 D2 B2 D F2 R2 U2 L2 D
95. 26.86 F' L D2 L2 B2 F2 D2 F2 L D2 L U2 L B F2 D U L' F' L2 U
96. 27.88 U R2 F L2 U2 L2 U2 B' U2 B2 R2 D2 R F' U2 F D F' U2 R D
97. 23.78 U R2 B' F2 D L2 D B2 F2 D' F2 R2 F R' B L2 U' F U2
98. 22.04 F2 D2 F2 L2 D2 R2 F' L2 F' D2 L2 D R' F' D' B' L' D B2
99. (16.34) U' R' F U D' B2 L' B2 D F U2 B' D2 B' D2 R2 L2 F D2 B' L2
100. 18.22 U2 B2 L2 D2 B2 L D2 U2 F2 R' U2 B2 F' L R2 U' F R2 D L B
 

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I'm slow-rolling everything else for a while while I try to figure out 3-style, and I'm running up against a fairly consistent problem, wondering if anybody knows where I should look for what I'm doing wrong. I'm just scrambling a cube, solving the edges, and then I trace out the first two corner targets and figure out a comm to solve them. Sometimes it takes me the better part of a day to figure out the comm, and when I do I get one of 3 results:

10% the cube is scrambled
30% both targets are solved
60% one target is solved, and the other is in the right place but twisted.

Am I just making a tracing error? Any idea what's going on?
 

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I'm slow-rolling everything else for a while while I try to figure out 3-style, and I'm running up against a fairly consistent problem, wondering if anybody knows where I should look for what I'm doing wrong. I'm just scrambling a cube, solving the edges, and then I trace out the first two corner targets and figure out a comm to solve them. Sometimes it takes me the better part of a day to figure out the comm, and when I do I get one of 3 results:

10% the cube is scrambled
30% both targets are solved
60% one target is solved, and the other is in the right place but twisted.

Am I just making a tracing error? Any idea what's going on?
I'm also rehearsing 3-style last two months. At the beginning I have got some twists. It is maybe from incorrect insertion. You know the correct target, but you insert from the wrong angle. I am just the beginner at 3-style, maybe someone experienced should answer better.
 

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I'm slow-rolling everything else for a while while I try to figure out 3-style, and I'm running up against a fairly consistent problem, wondering if anybody knows where I should look for what I'm doing wrong. I'm just scrambling a cube, solving the edges, and then I trace out the first two corner targets and figure out a comm to solve them. Sometimes it takes me the better part of a day to figure out the comm, and when I do I get one of 3 results:

10% the cube is scrambled
30% both targets are solved
60% one target is solved, and the other is in the right place but twisted.

Am I just making a tracing error? Any idea what's going on?
Probably it is just a tracing error - you've probably figured out a commutator using one wrong sticker.

I found that it was a lot easier to learn the commutators by working with a solved cube. I then went alphabetically through the stickers and did what you're doing, but on a solved cube - plan to move two pieces, figure out the commutator, then apply and see what I get. (And I definitely did as you are doing - I figured out the commutator on my own - a good way to make sure you understand it.) Then if it's a case like your 60%, you can look and see what the buffer piece looks like and understand where the commutator was wrong. Also it lets you practice the inverse of the commutator after you're done to see if it restores the cube to solved correctly.

Of course, this takes a lot of commitment, since ideally you practice every algorithm. Ideally you go through all possible letter pairs to learn all the possible commutators. But as you work through the letters, you're doing the inverse too, so the number of cases go down as you go up. So my buffer piece is A; I first do B->C, then B->D, all the way through B->X. (As I go, after I do B->C, I do C->B to get back to a solved cube. After B->D, I do D->B to get back.) So now when I get through B->X, I move on to C, so it starts with C->D (I already did C->B after B->C, so the earlier letters don't need repeating). So by the time you get to W, there's just W->X and you're done! :)
 

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I'm slow-rolling everything else for a while while I try to figure out 3-style, and I'm running up against a fairly consistent problem, wondering if anybody knows where I should look for what I'm doing wrong. I'm just scrambling a cube, solving the edges, and then I trace out the first two corner targets and figure out a comm to solve them. Sometimes it takes me the better part of a day to figure out the comm, and when I do I get one of 3 results:

10% the cube is scrambled
30% both targets are solved
60% one target is solved, and the other is in the right place but twisted.

Am I just making a tracing error? Any idea what's going on?
I'm with Mike, it happens a lot making trace errors. I do even these days - ended up with flipped edges and twisted corners just because I traced wrong.

For commutators, I found it easier to learn with 4x4x4 Center since everything is really clear, you can see the changes without interruption. I recommend to watch Daniel's 4BLD center tutorial in which he explains commutator nice and easy. It is nothing to do with 4BLD but to do with commutator understanding. You can see each A, B, C moves quite easily compared to 3x3x3 (edge or corner).

 

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I'm slow-rolling everything else for a while while I try to figure out 3-style, and I'm running up against a fairly consistent problem, wondering if anybody knows where I should look for what I'm doing wrong. I'm just scrambling a cube, solving the edges, and then I trace out the first two corner targets and figure out a comm to solve them. Sometimes it takes me the better part of a day to figure out the comm, and when I do I get one of 3 results:

10% the cube is scrambled
30% both targets are solved
60% one target is solved, and the other is in the right place but twisted.

Am I just making a tracing error? Any idea what's going on?
I went through all of that a few years ago. Like Mike, I also think it's easier to learn working with a solved cube. Once you figure out a commutator, you can repeat it several times to remember it better. Another thing I'd recommend is that whenever you find a good commutator, look for all cases it can easily be applied to. Let's say there's an easy insertion from top layer to bottom layer, with interchange done on bottom layer. Perform that a few times, then look for all possible cycles that can be set up to that case in one or maybe even two setup moves, and drill all of them backwards and forwards. This lets you practice the commutator moves a lot, as well as gives you good practice in spotting and performing setup moves.
 
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