Nebraskan Speedsolver's Custom Cubes and Puzzles | Interesting Puzzle Mod designed by 1x1 wr holder..

[Michael Womack]

Pretty much yes. You have to reach a minimum amount of profit from product sales so you recoup the costs of R&D and production.
As an example, I doubt anyone would really wanna buy something like a coremag 15x15, so if you chose to work on designing the parts to make one, then buy everything and build it, you probably won't sell it and will have the worlds most expensive 15x15 on your shelf.

"But see, that's where I feel you are telling everyone that I can't keep up with demand and I don't know what the demand is."
Regarding this, it seems you don't know what the economics definition of demand it. It's defined as the ability AND willingness to purchase something. It's not about just being able to make enough for whoever wants to buy it. It doesn't matter how much you can make if nobody is interested in what you're selling. I have zero demand for something like the 21x21 bc I have no interest in buying it even though I can afford it, and I have no demand for a $10,000 CNC machine I want but do not have the spare cash for.

Exactly my point. If there is a demand for a certain product then it'll have a really good chance of being sold. While the thing is with what you said about these high order cubes like the 21x21 is that it's a cool cube to have but the really high price is turning a bunch of cubers away from buying it. I would rather spend my money on something more practical like a new Laptop vs buying the 21x21.

 

[NebraskanSpeedsolver]

Yes and no. I'm just trying to get you to understand that there is not that much demanding needs for some certain magnetic mods you're offering without fully testing it first. I mean I kinda like the idea of a magnetic core for the Diansheng magnetic 12x12 but IDK if it's worth actually paying you $200 to make it. At the same time you'll have to deal with spending a few hours on taking the cube apart gluing the core/corner magnets into place and then re-assemble it. But honesty is there really a demanding market for a bunch of these magnetic mods you're offering? At the same point you'll need to make a bunch of samples and convince other cubers like pro speedcubers and well known YouTube cubers to test out/review it to help get notoriety for your shop. Another thing to do is go to comp and let other cubers try out your mods. But at this point you have super high expectations for your shop without doing that much product testing. There have been a few companies in the past 20 that have started out with giving us consumers a wide range of products that they'll be coming out with. But those companies ether went bankrupt, cancelled, or even never worked those planed products that they announced at the biggening.

Having high expectations for a company isn't the worst thing in the world.

About the whole sending stuff out for testing, I had already planned around that and know people in my area that would test these puzzles and give their honest opinions about them to help me improve the products.

Pretty much yes. You have to reach a minimum amount of profit from product sales so you recoup the costs of R&D and production.
As an example, I doubt anyone would really wanna buy something like a coremag 15x15, so if you chose to work on designing the parts to make one, then buy everything and build it, you probably won't sell it and will have the worlds most expensive 15x15 on your shelf.

"But see, that's where I feel you are telling everyone that I can't keep up with demand and I don't know what the demand is."
Regarding this, it seems you don't know what the economics definition of demand it. It's defined as the ability AND willingness to purchase something. It's not about just being able to make enough for whoever wants to buy it. It doesn't matter how much you can make if nobody is interested in what you're selling. I have zero demand for something like the 21x21 bc I have no interest in buying it even though I can afford it, and I have no demand for a $10,000 CNC machine I want but do not have the spare cash for.

What I don't get here is how all of you guys are harping on me about this whole thing and I just want to work on this without people telling me what I can and cannot do.

I've lived my whole life with people telling me what I can and cannot do, and it has limited me so much. Finally at this point, I felt a little more free and felt like I actually could do what I felt was possible. But look now, I've come full circle. I finally got support for a project that would keep me busy doing something I love, and people that love the same hobby are even telling me that I shouldn't be doing this because they think they know what I do and do not have in my knowledge.

I came to these forums and found that most people like to support others, not publicly discriminate due to some small choices that aren't even set and stone just because they don't feel that it's a good idea. What makes you guys so inclined to tell me that I don't know anything and I should basically drop the project?

That's not really what this place was meant for, and I don't want this to keep dragging on.
None of those choices are permanent, they were just ideas for me to do in the future, and all I get for having initiative and hope for my project, someone has to come around and tell me that I can't do it.

 

[Michael Womack]

Having high expectations for a company isn't the worst thing in the world.

About the whole sending stuff out for testing, I had already planned around that and know people in my area that would test these puzzles and give their honest opinions about them to help me improve the products.

What I don't get here is how all of you guys are harping on me about this whole thing and I just want to work on this without people telling me what I can and cannot do.

I've lived my whole life with people telling me what I can and cannot do, and it has limited me so much. Finally at this point, I felt a little more free and felt like I actually could do what I felt was possible. But look now, I've come full circle. I finally got support for a project that would keep me busy doing something I love, and people that love the same hobby are even telling me that I shouldn't be doing this because they think they know what I do and do not have in my knowledge.

I came to these forums and found that most people like to support others, not publicly discriminate due to some small choices that aren't even set and stone just because they don't feel that it's a good idea. What makes you guys so inclined to tell me that I don't know anything and I should basically drop the project?

That's not really what this place was meant for, and I don't want this to keep dragging on.
None of those choices are permanent, they were just ideas for me to do in the future, and all I get for having initiative and hope for my project, someone has to come around and tell me that I can't do it.

You don't really understand the "Supply and Demand" part of Economics in running a business. Even if you make something like 100 magnetic core 12x12's and you only sell like 10 of them in 3 years. Then that's something that's not in high demand.

 

[NebraskanSpeedsolver]

You don't really understand the "Supply and Demand" part of Economics in running a business. Even if you make something like 100 magnetic core 12x12's and you only sell like 10 of them in 3 years. Then that's something that's not in high demand.

That doesn't mean that I won't still make and have at least one on hand. I don't 100% care if ONE puzzle doesn't sell right away

 

[Michael Womack]

That doesn't mean that I won't still make and have at least one on hand. I don't 100% care if ONE puzzle doesn't sell right away

I'm not saying that you should stop making these. But with any small business that's just starting off sales will slowly come in as people come discover your business and is intersted in what your selling.

 

[NebraskanSpeedsolver]

At this rate you might as well not do this magnetic core conversion since some of these cubes might become discontinued/irrelevant do to newer/better puzzles that's coming out on the market.

 

[White KB]

But those companies ether went bankrupt, cancelled, or even? never worked those planed products that they announced at the biggening.

Imagkne havjng typoz amd sperling/grammer errars so that everyone reading your messages gets semantic interference and therefore doesn't receive your point. Couldn't be me.

Jabs aside, I understand you are a prolific cuber with over 10 years of experience buying and selling puzzles at various comps. However, as someone who knows Corey in person, I can confirm that he does have access to a 3D printer, and that he is capable of turning a profit with his cubes if he advertises them well. As a musician, I have gone to classes on how to promote the brand of an artist and/or business, and so far he's been taking a lot of the right steps. What he's saying is also valid -- a DM would've been more effective than detracting from the discussion at hand by providing criticism (even constructive criticism, which looking at it I will admit made up most of your message). Please provide your critique in the proper way next time instead of making a fool of someone who is just trying to provide innovative puzzles to people for a reasonable price.

 

[OreKehStrah]

Having high expectations for a company isn't the worst thing in the world.

About the whole sending stuff out for testing, I had already planned around that and know people in my area that would test these puzzles and give their honest opinions about them to help me improve the products.

What I don't get here is how all of you guys are harping on me about this whole thing and I just want to work on this without people telling me what I can and cannot do.

I've lived my whole life with people telling me what I can and cannot do, and it has limited me so much. Finally at this point, I felt a little more free and felt like I actually could do what I felt was possible. But look now, I've come full circle. I finally got support for a project that would keep me busy doing something I love, and people that love the same hobby are even telling me that I shouldn't be doing this because they think they know what I do and do not have in my knowledge.

I came to these forums and found that most people like to support others, not publicly discriminate due to some small choices that aren't even set and stone just because they don't feel that it's a good idea. What makes you guys so inclined to tell me that I don't know anything and I should basically drop the project?

That's not really what this place was meant for, and I don't want this to keep dragging on.
None of those choices are permanent, they were just ideas for me to do in the future, and all I get for having initiative and hope for my project, someone has to come around and tell me that I can't do it.

1. I never said what you should or shouldn't do. I'm just providing an explanation for previous posts. It has nothing to do with me.
2. This isn't discrimination. People love to throw words like that around just because they can't handle criticism.
3. It's all with good intention. You're just reading into it like you're being attacked instead of looking just at the information being presented so you can make intelligent financial decisions.

If you want me to personally criticize you, I'd be happy to do so in a DM as asked, but I'm simply trying to give you explanations so you can make better decisions. From this point I'm just gonna block you though so I don't have to keep seeing this post pop up and call it a day.

 

[Michael Womack]

Imagkne havjng typoz amd sperling/grammer errars so that everyone reading your messages gets semantic interference and therefore doesn't receive your point. Couldn't be me.

Jabs aside, I understand you are a prolific cuber with over 10 years of experience buying and selling puzzles at various comps. However, as someone who knows Corey in person, I can confirm that he does have access to a 3D printer, and that he is capable of turning a profit with his cubes if he advertises them well. As a musician, I have gone to classes on how to promote the brand of an artist and/or business, and so far he's been taking a lot of the right steps. What he's saying is also valid -- a DM would've been more effective than detracting from the discussion at hand by providing criticism (even constructive criticism, which looking at it I will admit made up most of your message). Please provide your critique in the proper way next time instead of making a fool of someone who is just trying to provide innovative puzzles to people for a reasonable price.

I understand that and don't even criticize my spelling mistakes. We all make spelling/grammar errors every now and then. But in all reality he shouldn't be having these BIG plans this early on in his business adventures without doing some physical testing to understand if this is a profitable product to sell. Even then I don't want him to invest a ton of money into some of his product ideas and then barely get any profit from that product. I even have done stuff like that before and if you end up doing that you'll either learn or not learn from your business mistakes. Overall I just don't want him to have a bunch of puzzles lying around the house for a longtime waiting to be sold.

 

[NebraskanSpeedsolver]

I understand that and don't even criticize my spelling mistakes. We all make spelling/grammar errors every now and then. But in all reality he shouldn't be having these BIG plans this early on in his business adventures without doing some physical testing to understand if this is a profitable product to sell. Even then I don't want him to invest a ton of money into some of his product ideas and then barely get any profit from that product. I even have done stuff like that before and if you end up doing that you'll either learn or not learn from your business mistakes. Overall I just don't want him to have a bunch of puzzles lying around the house for a longtime waiting to be sold.

The Cubicle is testing this 5x5 mod, and from I've already tried without it even being finished, I am having less issues with speed now and it's overall better. Once it's fitted with the magnetic core it's going out to them, and you can't tell me what to spend my time and money on, considering that I do have those.

 

[Michael Womack]

The Cubicle is testing this 5x5 mod, and from I've already tried without it even being finished, I am having less issues with speed now and it's overall better. Once it's fitted with the magnetic core it's going out to them, and you can't tell me what to spend my time and money on, considering that I do have those.

Yeah but what about all the other 10+ puzzles you have planed on doing? Even if you're just working on the 5x5 at the moment it'll be a while before you get to working on some of the other puzzles.

 

[Michael Womack]

I'm not really telling you how to spend your money but I'm advising you to spend the money on what you can profit off of the most.

 

[NebraskanSpeedsolver]

Yeah but what about all the other 10+ puzzles you have planed on doing? Even if you're just working on the 5x5 at the moment it'll be a while before you get to working on some of the other puzzles.

Your point being? Just because they haven't been started yet doesn't mean I have to get rid of all the work I put into the website, I don't care if it's a Google Site.

You still haven't addressed this though:

I'm not saying that you should stop making these. But with any small business that's just starting off sales will slowly come in as people come discover your business and is intersted in what your selling.

This is legit what you said in an earlier message

 

[NebraskanSpeedsolver]

I'm not really telling you how to spend your money but I'm advising you to spend the money on what you can profit off of the most.

That's exactly what you were doing earlier, is telling me not to do any of this

 

[Michael Womack]

That's exactly what you were doing earlier, is telling me not to do any of this

I'm not saying that you can't do this but you need to understand that some these products you have planed to sell will not sell well. So you should focus on the more profitable products. Like the 2x2-7x7, Megaminx, Magnetic core Gan mirror, and some others like that. But the 8x8-12x12 and the Giga I see as being a product that'll be less profitable.

 

[NebraskanSpeedsolver]

At this rate you might as well not do this magnetic core conversion since some of these cubes might become discontinued/irrelevant do to newer/better puzzles that's coming out on the market.

I feel the need to share this again

 

[Michael Womack]

I feel the need to share this again

What I mean by this is that you don't have that much free time to work on making all these puzzles to sell. With the super quick development that the major Chinese Speedcubeing companies are doing would probably make your puzzles obsolete. Along with that some of the puzzle models like the Valk 3m you have to offer is slowly becoming discontinued. With that said I'm not telling you to completely stop doing this. But China might be producing some of these puzzles before you get a chance make some copies to sell.

 

[NebraskanSpeedsolver]

What I mean by this is that you don't have that much free time to work on making all these puzzles to sell. With the super quick development that the major Chinese Speedcubeing companies are doing would probably make your puzzles obsolete. Along with that some of the puzzle models like the Valk 3m you have to offer is slowly becoming discontinued. With that said I'm not telling you to completely stop doing this. But China might be producing some of these puzzles before you get a chance make some copies to sell.

How would you know how much free time I have? And again, I know that the Valk 3 is gonna be discontinued soon, but that doesn't mean I don't wanna make a few anyway and sell them. This is just going back and forth now. What you need to know is no matter what, I will stand my ground. This is my business, and I won't let two people bring the whole thing to a grinding halt just because I chose to mod some of the older puzzles that the cubing community loved. I make my choices on what my business sells, and you shouldn't be the one to tell me what I should and shouldn't do with the free time that I do have. That's the one other thing you need to understand, is that you can't just assume things about people. I didn't have a lot of money about 7 months ago, but now that I am working, I am slowly working my way back up to where I was so that I can financially support this business. I also feel you are doing this to me because you think that because I'm a high school, I know nothing about the economy and how anything there works. News flash, I'm not dumb. I took a finance class last year, and a business class. I know what I am doing here, and you shouldn't assume that I don't just because I'm under 18, I know nothing and I am some good for nothing high schooler. This is crossing the line. I don't understand why you can't just leave this alone and let me learn from this. If I lose money, it's whatever, I'll keep working to make the money back. How else am I gonna learn about failure in life? Sit around and let a bunch of people tell me not to do this because I might fail? I don't think so. I wanna take risks and put myself out there because nobody else in my age group wants to do anything with their lives. I wanna be the one to change that. I wanna have something to strive for and work towards. Even if this doesn't work out, I have a college plan and a career ready for me as a backup. I have plans A B and C for whatever may happen. Do NOT come into this thread and tell me what not to do, I don't think that was the intent of this forum anyway. This forum is a place for people to connect and have fun, but what's happening right now is tearing this whole thing apart. So what I ask of you is to leave this alone because I know what to do and what I can accomplish in my life.

 

[Michael Womack]

I also feel you are doing this to me because you think that because I'm a high school, I know nothing about the economy and how anything there works. News flash, I'm not dumb. I took a finance class last year, and a business class. I know what I am doing here, and you shouldn't assume that I don't just because I'm under 18, I know nothing and I am some good for nothing high schooler. This is crossing the line. I don't understand why you can't just leave this alone and let me learn from this. If I lose money, it's whatever, I'll keep working to make the money back. How else am I gonna learn about failure in life? Sit around and let a bunch of people tell me not to do this because I might fail? I don't think so. I wanna take risks and put myself out there because nobody else in my age group wants to do anything with their lives. I wanna be the one to change that. I wanna have something to strive for and work towards. Even if this doesn't work out, I have a college plan and a career ready for me as a backup. I have plans A B and C for whatever may happen. Do NOT come into this thread and tell me what not to do, I don't think that was the intent of this forum anyway. This forum is a place for people to connect and have fun, but what's happening right now is tearing this whole thing apart. So what I ask of you is to leave this alone because I know what to do and what I can accomplish in my life.

I'm not. Since you said you know nothing about Economics then you should be listening to my business advices. I was in you situation back 10 years ago when I recently graduated from High School. I just don't want you to go into debt for investing a bunch of you money on projects that won't sell well. I'm giving you this advice from perisomal experiences.

 

[NebraskanSpeedsolver]

I'm not. Since you said you know nothing about Economics then you should be listening to my business advices. I was in you situation back 10 years ago when I recently graduated from High School. I just don't want you to go into debt for investing a bunch of you money on projects that won't sell well. I'm giving you this advice from perisomal experiences.

You are though. You just aren’t on the receiving end to know how it feels. And when did I say I know nothing about Economics? You need to listen sometimes, as I never said that. I do NOT want to to tell me what to do. Just don’t support the place, that’s good enough. Don’t slander my goals.